# 403 Error when using out-of-the-box ElasticSearch 5.0.0-alpha5

**URL:** <https://discuss.elastic.co/t/403-error-when-using-out-of-the-box-elasticsearch-5-0-0-alpha5/61332>\
**Category:** Elasticsearch\
**Tags:** elastic-stack-security\
**Created:** [September 23, 2016, 4:41am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/403-error-when-using-out-of-the-box-elasticsearch-5-0-0-alpha5/61332 "2016-09-23T04:41:17Z")\
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**Author:** ![thinkabout](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/51bf81/32.png) [@thinkabout](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/thinkabout)\
**Post date:** [September 23, 2016, 4:41am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/403-error-when-using-out-of-the-box-elasticsearch-5-0-0-alpha5/61332/1 "2016-09-23T04:41:17Z")

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Hi, we're evaluating ElasticSearch and Kibana. I have recently downloaded elasticsearch-5.0.0-alpha5 and kibana-5.0.0-alpha5-windows-86.

When performing a get operation authenticating with the default username\pwd, I get the following error

{"error":{"root\_cause":[{"type":"security\_exception","reason":"action [indices:admin/get] is unauthorized for user [kibana]"}],"type":"security\_exception","reason":"action [indices:admin/get] is unauthorized for user [kibana]"},"status":403}

I can also login to Kibana using the default username\pwd, however, this login does not have permissions to manage users\roles.

Could someone offer some advice or direct me towards some documentation which would explain why this is happening?

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**Author:** ![danielmitterdorfer](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/danielmitterdorfer/32/110510_2.png) [@danielmitterdorfer](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/danielmitterdorfer)\
**Post date:** [September 23, 2016, 5:55am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/403-error-when-using-out-of-the-box-elasticsearch-5-0-0-alpha5/61332/2 "2016-09-23T05:55:04Z")

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This question has been already answered in [Getting a 403 error when performing a get operation](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/getting-a-403-error-when-performing-a-get-operation/61325)

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**Author:** ![danielmitterdorfer](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/danielmitterdorfer/32/110510_2.png) [@danielmitterdorfer](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/danielmitterdorfer)\
**Post date:** [September 23, 2016, 5:55am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/403-error-when-using-out-of-the-box-elasticsearch-5-0-0-alpha5/61332/3 "2016-09-23T05:55:10Z")

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