# APM 7.11 services missing if no traffic

**URL:** <https://discuss.elastic.co/t/apm-7-11-services-missing-if-no-traffic/264310>\
**Category:** APM\
**Tags:** ui\
**Created:** [February 15, 2021, 12:34pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/apm-7-11-services-missing-if-no-traffic/264310 "2021-02-15T12:34:57Z")\
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**Author:** ![tsbayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3d9bf3/32.png) [@tsbayne](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/tsbayne)\
**Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 12:34pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/apm-7-11-services-missing-if-no-traffic/264310/1 "2021-02-15T12:34:57Z")

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Since upgrading Elasticsearch, Kibana, and APM-server to the the newest version (7.11), on the APM tab under Observability, if there is no traffic on a particular service for the time frame selected, the service no longer shows up in the list. We liked being able to see all the services even if there is no traffic for the time frame. This is the way every previous version worked.

Is this an APM issue or Kibana? Is there a way for us to toggle showing all services again?

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**Author:** ![dgieselaar](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/dgieselaar/32/46947_2.png) [@dgieselaar](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/dgieselaar)\
**Post date:** [February 21, 2021, 8:15am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/apm-7-11-services-missing-if-no-traffic/264310/2 "2021-02-21T08:15:18Z")

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@tsbayne Is your issue similar to [Show services reporting only metrics in the APM UI · Issue #92075 · elastic/kibana · GitHub](https://github.com/elastic/kibana/issues/92075) (there are system/application metrics, but no traffic)? If so, we'll likely discuss it somewhere next week. You can subscribe to the issue for updates.

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**Author:** ![tsbayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3d9bf3/32.png) [@tsbayne](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/tsbayne)\
**Post date:** [February 22, 2021, 1:00pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/apm-7-11-services-missing-if-no-traffic/264310/3 "2021-02-22T13:00:30Z")

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Yes. This issue sums it up pretty well. Will keep an eye on this. Thank you for your help @dgieselaar !

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**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/original/3X/1/a/1ac57faf039f6b580b3f104ef42a2a89e41014de.png) [@system](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/system)\
**Post date:** [March 15, 2021, 9:01am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/apm-7-11-services-missing-if-no-traffic/264310/4 "2021-03-15T09:01:00Z")

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