# Apm\_internal failed

**URL:** <https://discuss.elastic.co/t/apm-internal-failed/157649>\
**Category:** APM\
**Created:** [November 21, 2018, 8:28am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/apm-internal-failed/157649 "2018-11-21T08:28:21Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 5\
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**Author:** ![Lo\_Tel](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/lo_tel/32/37913_2.png) [@Lo\_Tel](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/Lo_Tel)\
**Post date:** [November 21, 2018, 8:28am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/apm-internal-failed/157649/1 "2018-11-21T08:28:21Z")

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Hi,

I created group and user

POST \_xpack/security/role/apm\_writer  
{  
"cluster": ["manage\_index\_templates","monitor"],  
"indices": [  
{  
"names": ["apm-\*"],  
"privileges": ["write","create\_index"]  
}  
]  
}

POST /\_xpack/security/user/apm\_internal  
{  
"password" : "xxxxxxxx:",  
"roles" : ["apm\_writer","kibana\_user"],  
"full\_name" : "Internal APM Server User"  
}

successfully

But i had this message when started 🙂

ipeline/output.go:121 Failed to publish events: 403 Forbidden: {"error":{"root\_cause":[{"type":"security\_exception","reason":"action [cluster:admin/xpack/monitoring/bulk] is unauthorized for user [apm\_internal]"}],"type":"security\_exception","reason":"action [cluster:admin/xpack/monitoring/bulk] is unauthorized for user [apm\_internal]"},"status":403}

If i add cluster:all it works !

Any idea ?

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**Author:** ![simitt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/simitt/32/106406_2.png) [@simitt](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/simitt)\
**Post date:** [November 23, 2018, 8:22am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/apm-internal-failed/157649/2 "2018-11-23T08:22:34Z")

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Hi,  
did you see that from 6.5 on there is a [built-in apm\_system user](https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/apm/server/6.5/beats-system-user.html) with the [apm\_system role](https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/elastic-stack-overview/current/built-in-roles.html) that has privileges to write system-level data (such as monitoring) ?

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**Author:** ![Lo\_Tel](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/lo_tel/32/37913_2.png) [@Lo\_Tel](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/Lo_Tel)\
**Post date:** [November 23, 2018, 10:15am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/apm-internal-failed/157649/3 "2018-11-23T10:15:50Z")

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yes but one for monitoring and one to connect

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**Author:** ![Lo\_Tel](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/lo_tel/32/37913_2.png) [@Lo\_Tel](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/Lo_Tel)\
**Post date:** [November 23, 2018, 10:29am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/apm-internal-failed/157649/4 "2018-11-23T10:29:39Z")

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Tx Silvia !

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**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/original/3X/1/a/1ac57faf039f6b580b3f104ef42a2a89e41014de.png) [@system](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/system)\
**Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 6:29am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/apm-internal-failed/157649/5 "2018-12-14T06:29:39Z")

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