# App Search indices not accessible through Kibana? **URL:** \ **Category:** Elastic Search\ **Tags:** elastic-app-search\ **Created:** [January 28, 2021, 12:39am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/app-search-indices-not-accessible-through-kibana/262435 "2021-01-28T00:39:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![sabetali](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/sabetali/32/83024_2.png) [@sabetali](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/sabetali)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2021, 12:39am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/app-search-indices-not-accessible-through-kibana/262435/1 "2021-01-28T00:39:01Z")
When I navigate to Index Management on the Kibana console, my App Search indices don't show up. Why is this the case? Can I create an index through my elasticsearch endpoint and have it be accessible through my App Search engine? ---
**Author:** ![david.harsha](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/david.harsha/32/48003_2.png) [@david.harsha](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/david.harsha)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2021, 2:22am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/app-search-indices-not-accessible-through-kibana/262435/2 "2021-01-28T02:22:05Z")
Hi @sabetali! What version of Kibana and Enterprise Search are you using? You may need to enable viewing hidden/system indices in Kibana since Enterprise Search indices are dot-prefixed. ---
**Author:** ![sabetai](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/sabetai/32/82900_2.png) [@sabetai](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/sabetai)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2021, 5:27pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/app-search-indices-not-accessible-through-kibana/262435/3 "2021-01-28T17:27:47Z")
Hey @david.harsha, I'm using v7.10.2 of both Enterprise Search and Kibana. How do I enable hidden indicies? ---
**Author:** ![david.harsha](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/david.harsha/32/48003_2.png) [@david.harsha](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/david.harsha)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2021, 8:31pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/app-search-indices-not-accessible-through-kibana/262435/4 "2021-01-28T20:31:04Z")
I believe you want to hit the "Include hidden indices" toggle: ![Screen Shot 2021-01-28 at 12.28.59 PM](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/original/3X/b/8/b8da34ead3df7d3a71711ceaa7c68d34f4b0692c.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![sabetai](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/sabetai/32/82900_2.png) [@sabetai](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/sabetai)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2021, 9:03pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/app-search-indices-not-accessible-through-kibana/262435/5 "2021-01-28T21:03:16Z")
Thanks for the suggestion, I tried it and the app search indices still don't appear. Also, I'm unable to access the indices that **do** appear under Index Management in by Kinaba Discover console. Are these bugs or am I missing a configuration somewhere? ---
**Author:** ![david.harsha](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/david.harsha/32/48003_2.png) [@david.harsha](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/david.harsha)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2021, 10:12pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/app-search-indices-not-accessible-through-kibana/262435/6 "2021-01-28T22:12:13Z")
Do you see them if you use the [cat indices API](https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/elasticsearch/reference/current/cat-indices.html)? ---
**Author:** ![sabetai](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/sabetai/32/82900_2.png) [@sabetai](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/sabetai)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2021, 1:15am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/app-search-indices-not-accessible-through-kibana/262435/7 "2021-01-29T01:15:01Z")
They don't show up when I run `GET /_cat/indices`. Do 'engines' on App Search not get counted as indices? ---
**Author:** ![david.harsha](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/david.harsha/32/48003_2.png) [@david.harsha](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/david.harsha)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2021, 1:51am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/app-search-indices-not-accessible-through-kibana/262435/8 "2021-01-29T01:51:10Z")
As far as I know, if they don't show up in `/_cat/indices` then they don't exist (unless you don't have the correct permissions somehow). Which indices are you looking for? Do you see anything like `.ent-search-*`? ---
**Author:** ![sabetai](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/sabetai/32/82900_2.png) [@sabetai](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/sabetai)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2021, 4:01pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/app-search-indices-not-accessible-through-kibana/262435/9 "2021-01-29T16:01:03Z")
So the App Search indices ARE showing up with .ent-search-document-backend\*: ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/original/3X/e/5/e57befec8c19c91f3f5d8f344004afb980845b3c.png) Why aren't they displayed with their original names? Also, Kibana's 'Discover' dashboard doesn't detect any of the indices I created ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/original/3X/c/3/c37cb56067faee63803c12c1db262211be94a5e2.png) ---
**Author:** ![david.harsha](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/david.harsha/32/48003_2.png) [@david.harsha](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/david.harsha)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2021, 8:17pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/app-search-indices-not-accessible-through-kibana/262435/10 "2021-01-29T20:17:06Z")
> Why aren't they displayed with their original names? Those indices use an internal engine identifier. > Also, Kibana's 'Discover' dashboard doesn't detect any of the indices I created You may need to create an index pattern to see them. ---
**Author:** ![sabetai](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/sabetai/32/82900_2.png) [@sabetai](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/sabetai)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2021, 4:27am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/app-search-indices-not-accessible-through-kibana/262435/11 "2021-01-30T04:27:28Z")
Yep you're right, thanks! ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/original/3X/5/0/5095f072036e6ba492195f8494dbb87e9ee2e618.png) ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/original/3X/1/a/1ac57faf039f6b580b3f104ef42a2a89e41014de.png) [@system](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/system)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 4:27am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/app-search-indices-not-accessible-through-kibana/262435/12 "2021-02-27T04:27:44Z")
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