# Can elasticsearch.url and elasticsearch.tribe.url be the same? **URL:** \ **Category:** Kibana\ **Created:** [March 30, 2017, 7:55am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/can-elasticsearch-url-and-elasticsearch-tribe-url-be-the-same/80611 "2017-03-30T07:55:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![YuWatanabe](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/yuwatanabe/32/13259_2.png) [@YuWatanabe](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/YuWatanabe)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2017, 7:55am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/can-elasticsearch-url-and-elasticsearch-tribe-url-be-the-same/80611/1 "2017-03-30T07:55:49Z")
Hello. Assuming I am having below environment, **Cluster1** 1. Tribe Node (global def : port 9200, t1 : port 9201, t2 : port 9202) 2. Uniform Node \* 3 **Cluster2** 1. Uniform Node \* 3 t1 is for **Cluster 1** and t2 is for **Cluster 2**. My question is, can _elasticsearch.url_ and _elasticsearch.tribe.url_ be the same url ? In other words, can tribe node (global definition, port 9200) be [coordinating node](https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/elasticsearch/reference/current/modules-node.html#coordinating-node)? I read [document](https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/kibana/current/tribe.html#tribe-configuration) but bit anxious so I appreciate if I can get help with my question. ---
**Author:** ![LeeDr](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/leedr/32/9289_2.png) [@LeeDr](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/LeeDr)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2017, 1:40pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/can-elasticsearch-url-and-elasticsearch-tribe-url-be-the-same/80611/2 "2017-03-30T13:40:01Z")
No, you cannot have the same elasticsearch.url and elasticsearch.tribe.url. The elasticsearch.url is a separate connection directly to the cluster where Kibana will create the .kibana index. The tribe node is also a coordinating node. But it can not write indexes; ["Master level write operations (eg Create Index) are not allowed. These should be performed on a single cluster."](https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/elasticsearch/reference/current/modules-tribe.html) Prior to the 5.x releases we used to suggest a work-around for Kibana with tribe nodes to temporarily point Kibana at the cluster where you want the .kibana index and let it do that. Then change Kibana to point to a tribe node from that point onward. But I don't think that works in 5.x releases (the first part would work, but not the second). Regards, Lee ---
**Author:** ![YuWatanabe](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/yuwatanabe/32/13259_2.png) [@YuWatanabe](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/YuWatanabe)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2017, 7:38am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/can-elasticsearch-url-and-elasticsearch-tribe-url-be-the-same/80611/3 "2017-04-02T07:38:14Z")
@LeeDr I see. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![YuWatanabe](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/yuwatanabe/32/13259_2.png) [@YuWatanabe](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/YuWatanabe)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2017, 1:40am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/can-elasticsearch-url-and-elasticsearch-tribe-url-be-the-same/80611/4 "2017-04-14T01:40:26Z")
I tested out and confirmed that preparing **coordinator node** and **tribe node** is bit too much. It would be better if access to elasticsearch cluster is slimmed into **one endpoint**. ---
**Author:** ![LeeDr](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/leedr/32/9289_2.png) [@LeeDr](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/LeeDr)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2017, 1:28pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/can-elasticsearch-url-and-elasticsearch-tribe-url-be-the-same/80611/5 "2017-04-14T13:28:09Z")
You could post a request about that on the Elasticsearch forum. They might have something else to suggest or they might create an enhancement request in [https://github.com/elastic/elasticsearch](https://github.com/elastic/elasticsearch) ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/original/3X/1/a/1ac57faf039f6b580b3f104ef42a2a89e41014de.png) [@system](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/system)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 1:35pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/can-elasticsearch-url-and-elasticsearch-tribe-url-be-the-same/80611/6 "2017-05-12T13:35:37Z")
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