# Can i install marvel plugin without Kibana? **URL:** \ **Category:** Kibana\ **Created:** [November 3, 2017, 6:40am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/can-i-install-marvel-plugin-without-kibana/106273 "2017-11-03T06:40:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![RohanKumbhar](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/rohankumbhar/32/23649_2.png) [@RohanKumbhar](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/RohanKumbhar)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2017, 6:40am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/can-i-install-marvel-plugin-without-kibana/106273/1 "2017-11-03T06:40:04Z")
Hi Team, I want to install marvel without kibana. is it possible to install the same? Thanks, Rohan ---
**Author:** ![Christian\_Dahlqvist](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/christian_dahlqvist/32/4617_2.png) [@Christian\_Dahlqvist](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/Christian_Dahlqvist)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2017, 7:47am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/can-i-install-marvel-plugin-without-kibana/106273/2 "2017-11-03T07:47:21Z")
Which version of Elasticsearch are you using? ---
**Author:** ![RohanKumbhar](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/rohankumbhar/32/23649_2.png) [@RohanKumbhar](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/RohanKumbhar)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2017, 7:59am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/can-i-install-marvel-plugin-without-kibana/106273/3 "2017-11-03T07:59:55Z")
I'm using ES 5.5.2 ---
**Author:** ![Christian\_Dahlqvist](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/christian_dahlqvist/32/4617_2.png) [@Christian\_Dahlqvist](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/Christian_Dahlqvist)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2017, 8:24am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/can-i-install-marvel-plugin-without-kibana/106273/4 "2017-11-03T08:24:06Z")
Marvel is no longer a standalone plugin and has been replaced by/become X-Pack Monitoring. You can install X-Pack and enable monitoring on Elasticsearch only, but in order to view the monitoring data (unless you want to query the monitoring indices yourself) through a UI, you will need it installed on X-Pack on Kibana as well. ---
**Author:** ![RohanKumbhar](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/rohankumbhar/32/23649_2.png) [@RohanKumbhar](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/RohanKumbhar)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2017, 10:24am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/can-i-install-marvel-plugin-without-kibana/106273/5 "2017-11-03T10:24:10Z")
the problem here is we dont want to use kibana ☹ , as we already have custom dashboard for visualization but we want to use the marvel 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Christian\_Dahlqvist](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/christian_dahlqvist/32/4617_2.png) [@Christian\_Dahlqvist](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/Christian_Dahlqvist)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2017, 10:41am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/can-i-install-marvel-plugin-without-kibana/106273/6 "2017-11-03T10:41:17Z")
The old Marvel plugin is not compatible with Elasticsearch 5.x+, so that is not really an option. Why do you not use Kibana for monitoring? ---
**Author:** ![RohanKumbhar](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/rohankumbhar/32/23649_2.png) [@RohanKumbhar](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/RohanKumbhar)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2017, 10:49am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/can-i-install-marvel-plugin-without-kibana/106273/7 "2017-11-03T10:49:10Z")
Kibana was not used because we want to have some custom features at dashboard level like on click popup and few other custom features. ---
**Author:** ![Christian\_Dahlqvist](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/christian_dahlqvist/32/4617_2.png) [@Christian\_Dahlqvist](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/Christian_Dahlqvist)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2017, 10:58am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/can-i-install-marvel-plugin-without-kibana/106273/8 "2017-11-03T10:58:57Z")
Can you not continue doing this and just use Kibana with the X-Pack plugin for monitoring? How were you envisioning using Marvel if that had been an option? ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/original/3X/1/a/1ac57faf039f6b580b3f104ef42a2a89e41014de.png) [@system](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/system)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2017, 10:59am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/can-i-install-marvel-plugin-without-kibana/106273/9 "2017-12-01T10:59:18Z")
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