# Cannot create a fleet policy without specifying package\_policies in Kibana.yml **URL:** \ **Category:** Kibana\ **Tags:** docker, fleet\ **Created:** [May 1, 2024, 1:22am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/cannot-create-a-fleet-policy-without-specifying-package-policies-in-kibana-yml/358526 "2024-05-01T01:22:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 2\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![leandrojmp](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/leandrojmp/32/107231_2.png) [@leandrojmp](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/leandrojmp)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 1:22am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/cannot-create-a-fleet-policy-without-specifying-package-policies-in-kibana-yml/358526/1 "2024-05-01T01:22:18Z")
Hello, I'm doing some tests to try to create a docker compose that would spin up a quick cluster to be used as development and for this I want to have 2 fleet policies in `kibana.yml`. One would be the fleet server policy and this seems to work without any issue, the other policy would be a empty policy to be used as the default agent policy, this policy would have no integrations, it is just to enroll the agents that would be moved to other policies. The [documentation](https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/kibana/current/fleet-settings-kb.html#_preconfiguration_settings_for_advanced_use_cases) says that `package_policies` is an **optional** setting. ![Screenshot from 2024-04-30 22-17-31](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/original/3X/0/0/00d0c14576300cda47aedc72d3c5d6c25e855f55.png) The only required settings are `id` and `name`, so I would expect to be able to create a policy specifying just the `id` and `name` in `kibana.yml`. I have this in my `kibana.yml`. ```auto xpack.fleet.packages: - name: fleet_server version: latest xpack.fleet.agentPolicies: - name: fleet-server-policy id: fleet-server-policy is_default_fleet_server: true is_managed: false namespace: default package_policies: - name: fleet-server package: name: fleet_server - name: agent-policy id: agent-default-policy namespace: default ``` And when trying to start it, I got a **FATAL** error regarding the missing `package_policies` in the second policy defined in `kibana.yml`. ```auto kibana | [2024-05-01T01:19:37.859+00:00][INFO][root] Kibana is shutting down kibana | [2024-05-01T01:19:37.861+00:00][FATAL][root] Reason: [config validation of [xpack.fleet].agentPolicies.1.package_policies]: expected value of type [array] but got [undefined] kibana | Error: [config validation of [xpack.fleet].agentPolicies.1.package_policies]: expected value of type [array] but got [undefined] kibana | at ObjectType.validate (/usr/share/kibana/node_modules/@kbn/config-schema/src/types/type.js:91:13) kibana | at ConfigService.validateAtPath (/usr/share/kibana/node_modules/@kbn/config/src/config_service.js:252:19) kibana | at /usr/share/kibana/node_modules/@kbn/config/src/config_service.js:262:204 kibana | at /usr/share/kibana/node_modules/rxjs/dist/cjs/internal/operators/map.js:10:37 kibana | at OperatorSubscriber._this._next (/usr/share/kibana/node_modules/rxjs/dist/cjs/internal/operators/OperatorSubscriber.js:33:21) kibana | at OperatorSubscriber.Subscriber.next (/usr/share/kibana/node_modules/rxjs/dist/cjs/internal/Subscriber.js:51:18) kibana | at /usr/share/kibana/node_modules/rxjs/dist/cjs/internal/operators/distinctUntilChanged.js:18:28 kibana | at OperatorSubscriber._this._next (/usr/share/kibana/node_modules/rxjs/dist/cjs/internal/operators/OperatorSubscriber.js:33:21) kibana | at OperatorSubscriber.Subscriber.next (/usr/share/kibana/node_modules/rxjs/dist/cjs/internal/Subscriber.js:51:18) kibana | at /usr/share/kibana/node_modules/rxjs/dist/cjs/internal/operators/map.js:10:24 kibana | at OperatorSubscriber._this._next (/usr/share/kibana/node_modules/rxjs/dist/cjs/internal/operators/OperatorSubscriber.js:33:21) kibana | at OperatorSubscriber.Subscriber.next (/usr/share/kibana/node_modules/rxjs/dist/cjs/internal/Subscriber.js:51:18) kibana | at ReplaySubject._subscribe (/usr/share/kibana/node_modules/rxjs/dist/cjs/internal/ReplaySubject.js:54:24) kibana | at ReplaySubject.Observable._trySubscribe (/usr/share/kibana/node_modules/rxjs/dist/cjs/internal/Observable.js:41:25) kibana | at ReplaySubject.Subject._trySubscribe (/usr/share/kibana/node_modules/rxjs/dist/cjs/internal/Subject.js:123:47) kibana | at /usr/share/kibana/node_modules/rxjs/dist/cjs/internal/Observable.js:35:31 kibana | at Object.errorContext (/usr/share/kibana/node_modules/rxjs/dist/cjs/internal/util/errorContext.js:22:9) kibana | at ReplaySubject.Observable.subscribe (/usr/share/kibana/node_modules/rxjs/dist/cjs/internal/Observable.js:26:24) kibana | at /usr/share/kibana/node_modules/rxjs/dist/cjs/internal/operators/share.js:65:18 kibana | at OperatorSubscriber. (/usr/share/kibana/node_modules/rxjs/dist/cjs/internal/util/lift.js:14:28) kibana | at /usr/share/kibana/node_modules/rxjs/dist/cjs/internal/Observable.js:30:30 kibana | at Object.errorContext (/usr/share/kibana/node_modules/rxjs/dist/cjs/internal/util/errorContext.js:22:9) kibana | at Observable.subscribe (/usr/share/kibana/node_modules/rxjs/dist/cjs/internal/Observable.js:26:24) kibana | at /usr/share/kibana/node_modules/rxjs/dist/cjs/internal/operators/map.js:9:16 kibana | at OperatorSubscriber. (/usr/share/kibana/node_modules/rxjs/dist/cjs/internal/util/lift.js:14:28) kibana | at /usr/share/kibana/node_modules/rxjs/dist/cjs/internal/Observable.js:30:30 kibana | at Object.errorContext (/usr/share/kibana/node_modules/rxjs/dist/cjs/internal/util/errorContext.js:22:9) kibana | at Observable.subscribe (/usr/share/kibana/node_modules/rxjs/dist/cjs/internal/Observable.js:26:24) kibana | at /usr/share/kibana/node_modules/rxjs/dist/cjs/internal/operators/distinctUntilChanged.js:13:16 kibana | at OperatorSubscriber. (/usr/share/kibana/node_modules/rxjs/dist/cjs/internal/util/lift.js:14:28) kibana | at /usr/share/kibana/node_modules/rxjs/dist/cjs/internal/Observable.js:30:30 kibana | at Object.errorContext (/usr/share/kibana/node_modules/rxjs/dist/cjs/internal/util/errorContext.js:22:9) kibana | at Observable.subscribe (/usr/share/kibana/node_modules/rxjs/dist/cjs/internal/Observable.js:26:24) kibana | at /usr/share/kibana/node_modules/rxjs/dist/cjs/internal/operators/map.js:9:16 kibana | at OperatorSubscriber. (/usr/share/kibana/node_modules/rxjs/dist/cjs/internal/util/lift.js:14:28) kibana | at /usr/share/kibana/node_modules/rxjs/dist/cjs/internal/Observable.js:30:30 kibana | at Object.errorContext (/usr/share/kibana/node_modules/rxjs/dist/cjs/internal/util/errorContext.js:22:9) kibana | at Observable.subscribe (/usr/share/kibana/node_modules/rxjs/dist/cjs/internal/Observable.js:26:24) kibana | at /usr/share/kibana/node_modules/rxjs/dist/cjs/internal/operators/take.js:13:20 kibana | at OperatorSubscriber. (/usr/share/kibana/node_modules/rxjs/dist/cjs/internal/util/lift.js:14:28) kibana | at /usr/share/kibana/node_modules/rxjs/dist/cjs/internal/Observable.js:30:30 kibana | at Object.errorContext (/usr/share/kibana/node_modules/rxjs/dist/cjs/internal/util/errorContext.js:22:9) kibana | at Observable.subscribe (/usr/share/kibana/node_modules/rxjs/dist/cjs/internal/Observable.js:26:24) kibana | at /usr/share/kibana/node_modules/rxjs/dist/cjs/internal/operators/throwIfEmpty.js:11:16 kibana | at SafeSubscriber. (/usr/share/kibana/node_modules/rxjs/dist/cjs/internal/util/lift.js:14:28) kibana | at /usr/share/kibana/node_modules/rxjs/dist/cjs/internal/Observable.js:30:30 kibana | at Object.errorContext (/usr/share/kibana/node_modules/rxjs/dist/cjs/internal/util/errorContext.js:22:9) kibana | at Observable.subscribe (/usr/share/kibana/node_modules/rxjs/dist/cjs/internal/Observable.js:26:24) kibana | at /usr/share/kibana/node_modules/rxjs/dist/cjs/internal/Observable.js:86:19 kibana | at new Promise () kibana | kibana | FATAL Error: [config validation of [xpack.fleet].agentPolicies.1.package_policies]: expected value of type [array] but got [undefined] ``` Why is this failing if `package_policies` is an optional settings? I'm able to create an empty policy on Fleet UI, but not through `kibana.yml`. This seems to be a bug. EDIT: Opened an issue: [Optional setting for Preconfigured fleet policy in kibana.yml is being required by the config validator resulting in Kibana not starting · Issue #182213 · elastic/kibana · GitHub](https://github.com/elastic/kibana/issues/182213) ---
**Author:** ![Julia\_Bardi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/julia_bardi/32/79463_2.png) [@Julia\_Bardi](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/Julia_Bardi)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2024, 7:42am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/cannot-create-a-fleet-policy-without-specifying-package-policies-in-kibana-yml/358526/2 "2024-05-21T07:42:58Z")
Thanks for raising the issue, we will fix it soon.