# Context in Native Scripts
**URL:** https://discuss.elastic.co/t/context-in-native-scripts/19738
**Category:** Elasticsearch
**Created:** [September 11, 2014, 5:49pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/context-in-native-scripts/19738 "2014-09-11T17:49:26Z")
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### Author:  [@zeev\_sands](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/zeev_sands)
#### Post date: [September 11, 2014, 5:49pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/context-in-native-scripts/19738/1 "2014-09-11T17:49:26Z")
```
Hello everyone,
I've been playing with native scripts and have a few questions:
Is there any notion of context for native scripts?
For example, is there a way to know that a method "runAsDouble", for
```
example, is called for the last time?
I might, for instance, like to send some sort of statistics after a
search is done.
```
Is there any way to know how many documents the search produced,
```
beforehand?
I might want to do some pre calculations based on this number before
the actual scoring begins.
```
Is there any way to get all the documents (or ids) somehow to process
```
(score) them in bulk?
My scoring might depend on the search result, I might want to calculate
an average of a search result field and base my scores on this number.
```
I apologize in advance, if some of my questions are uninformed. I'm new
```
to ES, trying to switch from Solr.
```
Thank you,
ZS
```
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### Author:  [@vineeth\_mohan\_2](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/vineeth_mohan_2)
#### Post date: [September 12, 2014, 12:20am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/context-in-native-scripts/19738/2 "2014-09-12T00:20:57Z")
Hello ,
Can you give a more elaborate explanation on the behavior of scoring you
want ?
I dont see any direct way to achieve this.
Also re-scoring might interest you -
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Thanks
Vineeth
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 11:19 PM, [zeev.sands@gmail.com](mailto:zeev.sands@gmail.com) wrote:
> ```
> Hello everyone,
>
> I've been playing with native scripts and have a few questions:
>
> Is there any notion of context for native scripts?
>
> For example, is there a way to know that a method "runAsDouble", for
>
> ```
>
> example, is called for the last time?
> I might, for instance, like to send some sort of statistics after a
> search is done.
>
> ```
> Is there any way to know how many documents the search produced,
>
> ```
>
> beforehand?
> I might want to do some pre calculations based on this number before
> the actual scoring begins.
>
> ```
> Is there any way to get all the documents (or ids) somehow to process
>
> ```
>
> (score) them in bulk?
> My scoring might depend on the search result, I might want to
> calculate an average of a search result field and base my scores on this
> number.
>
> ```
> I apologize in advance, if some of my questions are uninformed. I'm
>
> ```
>
> new to ES, trying to switch from Solr.
>
> ```
> Thank you,
>
> ZS
>
> ```
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### Author:  [@zeev\_sands](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/zeev_sands)
#### Post date: [September 12, 2014, 2:05pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/context-in-native-scripts/19738/3 "2014-09-12T14:05:44Z")
Hi,
Thank you for the reply. Here is an example of a scoring behavior I'm
talking about:
```
a) given a user query a set of documents is produced. Let's call
```
this set S.
b) suppose each document has a numeric field called "F".
The average of this field values for the set of documents S is
calculated. Let's call this average A.
So is A = sum(F) / N, sum(F) is the sum of the values of field
F for each document in S, and N is |S|, the number of documents in S.
c) final score for each document is the deviation from the average:
score = F - A.
So, in order to calculate the score for each document, I need to know
"A", which depends on _all_ documents produced by the query. This is a
simplified example, the actual score calculation is more involved.
Here is a different case, where I might like to know all the documents
produce by a query in order to score them: I have an external server
that handles the actual score calculation for each document,
communicating millions of documents to this server one document at a
time is expensive. I would prefer to first get all the documents
selected by a query, then send all of this info to the server and get
one reply containing custom scores for all the documents at once.
While I'm at it, a quick additional question: the rescore query and
post\_filter look interesting. Is there any native (java) api to
implement custom re-scorer or custom post\_filter? Just a link to api
would be very helpful.
Thank you again,
ZS
On 09/11/2014 08:20 PM, vineeth mohan wrote:
> Hello ,
>
> Can you give a more elaborate explanation on the behavior of scoring
> you want ?
> I dont see any direct way to achieve this.
>
> Also re-scoring might interest you -
> [Elasticsearch Platform — Find real-time answers at scale | Elastic](http://www.elasticsearch.org/guide/en/elasticsearch/reference/current/search-request-rescore.html)
>
> Thanks
> Vineeth
>
> On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 11:19 PM, \<[zeev.sands@gmail.com](mailto:zeev.sands@gmail.com)
> [mailto:zeev.sands@gmail.com](mailto:zeev.sands@gmail.com)\> wrote:
>
> ```
> Hello everyone,
>
> I've been playing with native scripts and have a few questions:
>
> Is there any notion of context for native scripts?
>
> For example, is there a way to know that a method
> "runAsDouble", for example, is called for the last time?
> I might, for instance, like to send some sort of statistics
> after a search is done.
>
> Is there any way to know how many documents the search
> produced, beforehand?
> I might want to do some pre calculations based on this number
> before the actual scoring begins.
>
> Is there any way to get all the documents (or ids) somehow to
> process (score) them in bulk?
> My scoring might depend on the search result, I might want to
> calculate an average of a search result field and base my scores
> on this number.
>
> I apologize in advance, if some of my questions are
> uninformed. I'm new to ES, trying to switch from Solr.
>
> Thank you,
>
> ZS
>
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### Author:  [@vineeth\_mohan\_2](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/vineeth_mohan_2)
#### Post date: [September 12, 2014, 3:30pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/context-in-native-scripts/19738/4 "2014-09-12T15:30:10Z")
Hello Zeev ,
The only way i can think is using 2 query -
1. Find sum of all scores -
{
"aggs": {
"sum": {
"sum": {
"script": "doc.score"
}
}
}
}
2. In the second request , using scripting in function score query and
find the deviation.
Thanks
Vineeth
On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 7:35 PM, Zeev Sands [zeev.sands@gmail.com](mailto:zeev.sands@gmail.com) wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Thank you for the reply. Here is an example of a scoring behavior I'm
> talking about:
>
> ```
> a) given a user query a set of documents is produced. Let's call this
>
> ```
>
> set S.
> b) suppose each document has a numeric field called "F".
> The average of this field values for the set of documents S is
> calculated. Let's call this average A.
> So is A = sum(F) / N, sum(F) is the sum of the values of field F
> for each document in S, and N is |S|, the number of documents in S.
> c) final score for each document is the deviation from the average:
> score = F - A.
>
> So, in order to calculate the score for each document, I need to know "A",
> which depends on _all_ documents produced by the query. This is a
> simplified example, the actual score calculation is more involved.
>
> Here is a different case, where I might like to know all the documents
> produce by a query in order to score them: I have an external server that
> handles the actual score calculation for each document, communicating
> millions of documents to this server one document at a time is expensive. I
> would prefer to first get all the documents selected by a query, then send
> all of this info to the server and get one reply containing custom scores
> for all the documents at once.
>
> While I'm at it, a quick additional question: the rescore query and
> post\_filter look interesting. Is there any native (java) api to implement
> custom re-scorer or custom post\_filter? Just a link to api would be very
> helpful.
>
> Thank you again,
> ZS
>
> On 09/11/2014 08:20 PM, vineeth mohan wrote:
>
> Hello ,
>
> Can you give a more elaborate explanation on the behavior of scoring you
> want ?
> I dont see any direct way to achieve this.
>
> Also re-scoring might interest you -
> [Elasticsearch Platform — Find real-time answers at scale | Elastic](http://www.elasticsearch.org/guide/en/elasticsearch/reference/current/search-request-rescore.html)
>
> Thanks
> Vineeth
>
> On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 11:19 PM, [zeev.sands@gmail.com](mailto:zeev.sands@gmail.com) wrote:
>
> > ```
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > I've been playing with native scripts and have a few questions:
> >
> > Is there any notion of context for native scripts?
> >
> > For example, is there a way to know that a method "runAsDouble", for
> >
> > ```
> >
> > example, is called for the last time?
> > I might, for instance, like to send some sort of statistics after a
> > search is done.
> >
> > ```
> > Is there any way to know how many documents the search produced,
> >
> > ```
> >
> > beforehand?
> > I might want to do some pre calculations based on this number before
> > the actual scoring begins.
> >
> > ```
> > Is there any way to get all the documents (or ids) somehow to process
> >
> > ```
> >
> > (score) them in bulk?
> > My scoring might depend on the search result, I might want to
> > calculate an average of a search result field and base my scores on this
> > number.
> >
> > ```
> > I apologize in advance, if some of my questions are uninformed. I'm
> >
> > ```
> >
> > new to ES, trying to switch from Solr.
> >
> > ```
> > Thank you,
> >
> > ZS
> >
> > ```
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### Author:  [@zeev\_sands](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/zeev_sands)
#### Post date: [September 12, 2014, 9:15pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/context-in-native-scripts/19738/5 "2014-09-12T21:15:24Z")
I was hoping to be able to intercept the information somewhere between
searching and scoring to avoid extra round trips, but,I guess, having
two queries works as well, although it might be slow.
Thank you for your help!
On 09/12/2014 11:30 AM, vineeth mohan wrote:
> Hello Zeev ,
>
> The only way i can think is using 2 query -
>
> 1. Find sum of all scores -
> {
> "aggs": {
> "sum": {
> "sum": {
> "script": "doc.score"
> }
> }
> }
> }
> 2. In the second request , using scripting in function score query
> and find the deviation.
>
> Thanks
> Vineeth
>
> On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 7:35 PM, Zeev Sands \<[zeev.sands@gmail.com](mailto:zeev.sands@gmail.com)
> [mailto:zeev.sands@gmail.com](mailto:zeev.sands@gmail.com)\> wrote:
>
> ```
> Hi,
>
> Thank you for the reply. Here is an example of a scoring behavior
> I'm talking about:
>
> a) given a user query a set of documents is produced. Let's
> call this set S.
> b) suppose each document has a numeric field called "F".
> The average of this field values for the set of documents
> S is calculated. Let's call this average A.
> So is A = sum(F) / N, sum(F) is the sum of the values of
> field F for each document in S, and N is |S|, the number of
> documents in S.
> c) final score for each document is the deviation from the
> average: score = F - A.
>
> So, in order to calculate the score for each document, I need to
> know "A", which depends on *all* documents produced by the query.
> This is a simplified example, the actual score calculation is more
> involved.
>
> Here is a different case, where I might like to know all the
> documents produce by a query in order to score them: I have an
> external server that handles the actual score calculation for each
> document, communicating millions of documents to this server one
> document at a time is expensive. I would prefer to first get all
> the documents selected by a query, then send all of this info to
> the server and get one reply containing custom scores for all the
> documents at once.
>
> While I'm at it, a quick additional question: the rescore query
> and post_filter look interesting. Is there any native (java) api
> to implement custom re-scorer or custom post_filter? Just a link
> to api would be very helpful.
>
> Thank you again,
> ZS
>
> On 09/11/2014 08:20 PM, vineeth mohan wrote:
>
> ```
>
> > ```
> > Hello ,
> >
> > Can you give a more elaborate explanation on the behavior of
> > scoring you want ?
> > I dont see any direct way to achieve this.
> >
> > Also re-scoring might interest you -
> > http://www.elasticsearch.org/guide/en/elasticsearch/reference/current/search-request-rescore.html
> >
> > Thanks
> > Vineeth
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 11:19 PM, > > wrote:
> >
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > I've been playing with native scripts and have a few
> > questions:
> >
> > Is there any notion of context for native scripts?
> >
> > For example, is there a way to know that a method
> > "runAsDouble", for example, is called for the last time?
> > I might, for instance, like to send some sort of
> > statistics after a search is done.
> >
> > Is there any way to know how many documents the search
> > produced, beforehand?
> > I might want to do some pre calculations based on this
> > number before the actual scoring begins.
> >
> > Is there any way to get all the documents (or ids)
> > somehow to process (score) them in bulk?
> > My scoring might depend on the search result, I might
> > want to calculate an average of a search result field and
> > base my scores on this number.
> >
> > I apologize in advance, if some of my questions are
> > uninformed. I'm new to ES, trying to switch from Solr.
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > ZS
> >
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### Author:  [@system](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/system)
#### Post date: [July 6, 2017, 1:02am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/context-in-native-scripts/19738/6 "2017-07-06T01:02:39Z")