# Creating users/roles through Kibana

**URL:** <https://discuss.elastic.co/t/creating-users-roles-through-kibana/82955>\
**Category:** Kibana\
**Created:** [April 19, 2017, 10:11pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/creating-users-roles-through-kibana/82955 "2017-04-19T22:11:45Z")\
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**Author:** ![Chris\_Curvey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/fbc32d/32.png) [@Chris\_Curvey](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/Chris_Curvey)\
**Post date:** [April 19, 2017, 10:11pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/creating-users-roles-through-kibana/82955/1 "2017-04-19T22:11:45Z")

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I have a production cluster running in Elastic Cloud. It works great. If I go into Kibana and click on the "management" tab on the left-hand side, I have two sections: "Elasticsearch" (which lets me create users and roles), and "Kibana" which allows me to manage index patterns, saved objects, etc.

Now I'm trying to install my own cluster at home to try some things out. I've installed Elasticsearch, Kibana, and X-Pack. If I click on the "Management" tab in Kibana, I only see the "Kibana" settings, not the "Elasticsearch" settings.

Is there a way to turn those on? I feel like I missed something in the docs.

(I'm logged in as the "elastic" user, and this is all 5.3)

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**Author:** ![skearns](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/skearns/32/125945_2.png) [@skearns](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/skearns)\
**Post date:** [April 19, 2017, 11:08pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/creating-users-roles-through-kibana/82955/2 "2017-04-19T23:08:28Z")

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You'll need to install X-Pack in both Elasticsearch and Kibana. It sounds like you may have missed Kibana

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**Author:** ![Chris\_Curvey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/fbc32d/32.png) [@Chris\_Curvey](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/Chris_Curvey)\
**Post date:** [May 8, 2017, 1:33pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/creating-users-roles-through-kibana/82955/3 "2017-05-08T13:33:50Z")

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ahhhh. so to properly (fully?) install x-pack, you need to _TWO_ commands:

```
/usr/share/elasticsearch/bin/plugin/elasticsearch-plugin install x-pack
/usr/share/kibana/bin/plugin/kibana-plugin install x-pack

```

I had missed that.

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**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/original/3X/1/a/1ac57faf039f6b580b3f104ef42a2a89e41014de.png) [@system](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/system)\
**Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 1:36pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/creating-users-roles-through-kibana/82955/4 "2017-06-05T13:36:01Z")

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