# Default index

**URL:** https://discuss.elastic.co/t/default-index/50698
**Category:** Kibana
**Created:** [May 23, 2016, 11:01am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/default-index/50698 "2016-05-23T11:01:49Z")
**Posts on this page:** 5
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### Author: ![iMarkus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a88e57/32.png) [@iMarkus](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/iMarkus)
#### Post date: [May 23, 2016, 11:01am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/default-index/50698/1 "2016-05-23T11:01:49Z")

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Kibana tries to load the default index after login

Questions:

Is there a setting to have no default index?  
Can we avoid that Kibana tries to load anything directly after login?  
What happens if the user has no permissions to read the "default" index during login?

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### Author: ![spalger](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/spalger/32/14092_2.png) [@spalger](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/spalger)
#### Post date: [May 23, 2016, 4:36pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/default-index/50698/2 "2016-05-23T16:36:39Z")

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There isn't any way to have no default, but you could change the default app to something other than discover by setting `kibana.defaultAppId` in your kibana.yml file

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### Author: ![iMarkus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a88e57/32.png) [@iMarkus](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/iMarkus)
#### Post date: [June 3, 2016, 8:31am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/default-index/50698/3 "2016-06-03T08:31:06Z")

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thanks for your detailed answer

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### Author: ![wq\_Huang](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/858c86/32.png) [@wq\_Huang](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/wq_Huang)
#### Post date: [June 6, 2016, 4:06am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/default-index/50698/4 "2016-06-06T04:06:01Z")

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but the same problem still remains when you switch to Discover,it does not make any sense that default index can not be removed.

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### Author: ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/original/3X/1/a/1ac57faf039f6b580b3f104ef42a2a89e41014de.png) [@system](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/system)
#### Post date: [July 6, 2017, 1:51pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/default-index/50698/5 "2017-07-06T13:51:33Z")

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