# \[DOCS\] Monitoring
**URL:** https://discuss.elastic.co/t/docs-monitoring/317197
**Category:** Elasticsearch
**Tags:** elastic-stack-monitoring
**Created:** [October 21, 2022, 12:40pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/docs-monitoring/317197 "2022-10-21T12:40:33Z")
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### Author:  [@sp-kyn](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/sp-kyn)
#### Post date: [October 21, 2022, 12:40pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/docs-monitoring/317197/1 "2022-10-21T12:40:33Z")
Hello,
I'm new here, trying to understand the monitoring setup on a basic up to date 8.4.1 self-hosted elk stack.
Continuing the discussion from [No need to set `xpack.monitoring.collection.enabled` to true when using metricbeat-based stack monitoring?](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/no-need-to-set-xpack-monitoring-collection-enabled-to-true-when-using-metricbeat-based-stack-monitoring/258237):
Previously referenced [alert issue](https://github.com/elastic/kibana/issues/81020) has been closed but [configuring metricbeat](https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/elasticsearch/reference/8.4/configuring-metricbeat.html) is still advising to set values for deprecated parameters `xpack.monitoring.collection.enabled` to `true` at first and `xpack.monitoring.elasticsearch.collection.enabled` to `false` at last.
This [pull request](https://github.com/elastic/elasticsearch/pull/77409) aims to remove this specific instruction from the documentation, but it is still opened.
Meanwhile, can you please clarify if there any effect of setting any value to `xpack.monitoring.elasticsearch.collection` and `xpack.monitoring.collection` ? If yes which ones ? Which values are defaults in 8.4? Why ?
On the same idea, in [config monitoring indices](https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/elasticsearch/reference/8.4/config-monitoring-indices.html), we see information about `.monitoring-{product}-7-*` which is confusing when running 8 version, especially that there is no information about the template `.monitoring-es-mb` and pattern `.monitoring-{product}-8-*` which by my understanding should be the one in use. It could be nive to have some clarification on which collector is feeding which index.
Also, [collecting monitoring data](https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/elasticsearch/reference/8.4/collecting-monitoring-data.html) says that this is deprecated and we should go to [configuring metricbeat](https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/elasticsearch/reference/8.4/configuring-metricbeat.html) which leads us back to [collecting monitoring data](https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/elasticsearch/reference/8.4/collecting-monitoring-data.html) for explanations:
> " For more information, see [Monitoring settings](https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/elasticsearch/reference/8.4/monitoring-settings.html) and ..."
Overall, reading 8.4 [monitor elasticsearch cluster](https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/elasticsearch/reference/8.4/monitor-elasticsearch-cluster.html) as 8.4 user leads to more question than answers.
In conclusion, can we push for a global review of the cluster monitoring documentation for version \>8?
Thanks for support.
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### Author:  [@sp-kyn](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/sp-kyn)
#### Post date: [November 16, 2022, 8:36am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/docs-monitoring/317197/2 "2022-11-16T08:36:26Z")
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### Author:  [@system](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/system)
#### Post date: [December 14, 2022, 8:37am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/docs-monitoring/317197/3 "2022-12-14T08:37:05Z")
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