# Documents vanishing

**URL:** <https://discuss.elastic.co/t/documents-vanishing/11814>\
**Category:** Elasticsearch\
**Created:** [May 5, 2013, 1:42am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/documents-vanishing/11814 "2013-05-05T01:42:57Z")\
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**Post date:** [May 5, 2013, 1:42am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/documents-vanishing/11814/1 "2013-05-05T01:42:57Z")

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I having a werid issue where I feel like i am loosing documents, a get  
request fails to get the document but if i do a search for the document it  
works just fine. So this is the output of a document write

Array  
(  
[ok] =\> 1  
[\_index] =\> latest  
[\_type] =\> sysMetrics  
[\_id] =\> t2QjFSAfQjSJRPv-J8neeA  
[\_version] =\> 1  
)

if I curl for the document

curl [http://localhost:9200/latest/sysMetrics/t2QjFSAfQjSJRPv-J8neeA](http://localhost:9200/latest/sysMetrics/t2QjFSAfQjSJRPv-J8neeA)  
{"\_index":"latest","\_type":"sysMetrics","\_id":"t2QjFSAfQjSJRPv-J8neeA","exists":false}

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**Post date:** [May 6, 2013, 4:18pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/documents-vanishing/11814/2 "2013-05-06T16:18:13Z")

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I think the obvious question is: what is your mapping for sysMetrics types?  
Might you try to add another field (or use an existing field)  
particularly a non-analyzed field, retrieve the document by that, and  
see what the document retrieved by this other has in it, particularly  
for its ID.  
Alternatively for debugging, retrieve everything, dump it and see what  
you see in your index. Has the \_id been converted in some way? How  
about the other fields.

-Paul

On 5/4/2013 6:42 PM, Wojons Tech wrote:

> I having a werid issue where I feel like i am loosing documents, a get  
> request fails to get the document but if i do a search for the  
> document it works just fine. So this is the output of a document write
> 
> Array  
> (  
> [ok] =\> 1  
> [\_index] =\> latest  
> [\_type] =\> sysMetrics  
> [\_id] =\> t2QjFSAfQjSJRPv-J8neeA  
> [\_version] =\> 1  
> )
> 
> if I curl for the document
> 
> ## curl [http://localhost:9200/latest/sysMetrics/t2QjFSAfQjSJRPv-J8neeA](http://localhost:9200/latest/sysMetrics/t2QjFSAfQjSJRPv-J8neeA) {"\_index":"latest","\_type":"sysMetrics","\_id":"t2QjFSAfQjSJRPv-J8neeA","exists":false}
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**Post date:** [May 10, 2013, 8:09pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/documents-vanishing/11814/3 "2013-05-10T20:09:40Z")

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When I issue a get-by-id request for an existing document in my "test"  
index, I get:

$ curl [http://localhost:9200/test/subscriber/7214560007](http://localhost:9200/test/subscriber/7214560007)  
{"\_index":"test","\_type":"subscriber","\_id":"7214560007","\_version":1,"exists":true,  
"\_source" : { "telno" : "7214560007", "name" : "FXE", "o" : "FLL Executive  
Airport", "city" : "Ft. Lauderdale", "state" : "FL" }}

And when I issue another get-by-id request for an \_id that I know to not  
exist:

$ curl [http://localhost:9200/test/subscriber/9999999999](http://localhost:9200/test/subscriber/9999999999)  
ERROR: HTTP response status: 404

I don't recall any documentation of the meaning of "exists":false (a lot  
has been going on and it's likely I've missed it), but empiracally it  
doesn't seem to apply to the document itself.

Brian

On Saturday, May 4, 2013 9:42:57 PM UTC-4, Wojons Tech wrote:

> I having a werid issue where I feel like i am loosing documents, a get  
> request fails to get the document but if i do a search for the document it  
> works just fine. So this is the output of a document write
> 
> Array  
> (  
> [ok] =\> 1  
> [\_index] =\> latest  
> [\_type] =\> sysMetrics  
> [\_id] =\> t2QjFSAfQjSJRPv-J8neeA  
> [\_version] =\> 1  
> )
> 
> if I curl for the document
> 
> curl [http://localhost:9200/latest/sysMetrics/t2QjFSAfQjSJRPv-J8neeA](http://localhost:9200/latest/sysMetrics/t2QjFSAfQjSJRPv-J8neeA)
> 
> {"\_index":"latest","\_type":"sysMetrics","\_id":"t2QjFSAfQjSJRPv-J8neeA","exists":false}

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**Post date:** [May 11, 2013, 11:57am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/documents-vanishing/11814/4 "2013-05-11T11:57:39Z")

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Hey,

how are you indexing your data? Maybe using a TTL? Are you using routing  
maybe? These are wild guesses, because I do not know your setup.  
Without more information it is hard to help out. Can you recreate your  
issue by using curl calls, so we can reproduce it?

--Alex

On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 3:42 AM, Wojons Tech [wojonstech@gmail.com](mailto:wojonstech@gmail.com) wrote:

> I having a werid issue where I feel like i am loosing documents, a get  
> request fails to get the document but if i do a search for the document it  
> works just fine. So this is the output of a document write
> 
> Array  
> (  
> [ok] =\> 1  
> [\_index] =\> latest  
> [\_type] =\> sysMetrics  
> [\_id] =\> t2QjFSAfQjSJRPv-J8neeA  
> [\_version] =\> 1  
> )
> 
> if I curl for the document
> 
> curl [http://localhost:9200/latest/sysMetrics/t2QjFSAfQjSJRPv-J8neeA](http://localhost:9200/latest/sysMetrics/t2QjFSAfQjSJRPv-J8neeA)
> 
> {"\_index":"latest","\_type":"sysMetrics","\_id":"t2QjFSAfQjSJRPv-J8neeA","exists":false}
> 
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**Post date:** [May 11, 2013, 12:01pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/documents-vanishing/11814/5 "2013-05-11T12:01:18Z")

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This is the mapping [https://gist.github.com/wojons/d821cc639ec52890b3ec](https://gist.github.com/wojons/d821cc639ec52890b3ec)

On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 4:57 AM, Alexander Reelsen [alr@spinscale.de](mailto:alr@spinscale.de) wrote:

> Hey,
> 
> how are you indexing your data? Maybe using a TTL? Are you using routing  
> maybe? These are wild guesses, because I do not know your setup.  
> Without more information it is hard to help out. Can you recreate your  
> issue by using curl calls, so we can reproduce it?
> 
> --Alex
> 
> On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 3:42 AM, Wojons Tech [wojonstech@gmail.com](mailto:wojonstech@gmail.com) wrote:
> 
> > I having a werid issue where I feel like i am loosing documents, a get  
> > request fails to get the document but if i do a search for the document it  
> > works just fine. So this is the output of a document write
> > 
> > Array  
> > (  
> > [ok] =\> 1  
> > [\_index] =\> latest  
> > [\_type] =\> sysMetrics  
> > [\_id] =\> t2QjFSAfQjSJRPv-J8neeA  
> > [\_version] =\> 1  
> > )
> > 
> > if I curl for the document
> > 
> > curl [http://localhost:9200/latest/sysMetrics/t2QjFSAfQjSJRPv-J8neeA](http://localhost:9200/latest/sysMetrics/t2QjFSAfQjSJRPv-J8neeA)
> > 
> > {"\_index":"latest","\_type":"sysMetrics","\_id":"t2QjFSAfQjSJRPv-J8neeA","exists":false}
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**Post date:** [May 11, 2013, 1:58pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/documents-vanishing/11814/6 "2013-05-11T13:58:48Z")

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Your previous post showed the TTL enabled mapping, but your gist's mapping  
(link below) does not.

Also, you need to check your documents to see where \_ttl is specified. Here  
is the subset of my initial testing. The elf type has TTL enabled but there  
is no default (documents without a TTL are immortal). Only the third  
document below is mortal (finite TTL). Note that the TTL is in this bulk  
input stream's action\_and\_meta\_data and not in the source:

{"create":{"\_index":"mortal","\_type":"elf","\_id":"1"}}  
{ "cn" : "Celeborn" , "text" : ["Lives forever"] }

{"create":{"\_index":"mortal","\_type":"elf","\_id":"2"}}  
{ "cn" : "Galadriel" , "text" : ["Lives forever"] }

{"create":{"\_index":"mortal","\_type":"elf","\_id":"3",_"\_ttl":"3m"_}}  
{ "cn" : "Haldir of Lórien" , "text" : [ "Dies in the battle of Helm's  
Deep", "Gone in 3m" ] }

One other behavior: If your mapping does not enable TTL, then any \_ttl you  
add to a document seems to go into the bit bucket and does not come back in  
a response. The \_ttl only comes back as a field in this case when it's  
added to the \_source; but in that case it isn't a \_ttl that Elasticsearch  
knows about.

Brian

On Saturday, May 11, 2013 8:01:18 AM UTC-4, Wojons Tech wrote:

> This is the mapping [https://gist.github.com/wojons/d821cc639ec52890b3ec](https://gist.github.com/wojons/d821cc639ec52890b3ec)

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i am very sure that i am do not have any ttl on.

On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 6:58 AM, InquiringMind [brian.from.fl@gmail.com](mailto:brian.from.fl@gmail.com)wrote:

> Your previous post showed the TTL enabled mapping, but your gist's mapping  
> (link below) does not.
> 
> Also, you need to check your documents to see where \_ttl is specified.  
> Here is the subset of my initial testing. The elf type has TTL enabled but  
> there is no default (documents without a TTL are immortal). Only the third  
> document below is mortal (finite TTL). Note that the TTL is in this bulk  
> input stream's action\_and\_meta\_data and not in the source:
> 
> {"create":{"\_index":"mortal","\_type":"elf","\_id":"1"}}  
> { "cn" : "Celeborn" , "text" : ["Lives forever"] }
> 
> {"create":{"\_index":"mortal","\_type":"elf","\_id":"2"}}  
> { "cn" : "Galadriel" , "text" : ["Lives forever"] }
> 
> {"create":{"\_index":"mortal","\_type":"elf","\_id":"3",_"\_ttl":"3m"_}}  
> { "cn" : "Haldir of Lórien" , "text" : [ "Dies in the battle of Helm's  
> Deep", "Gone in 3m" ] }
> 
> One other behavior: If your mapping does not enable TTL, then any \_ttl you  
> add to a document seems to go into the bit bucket and does not come back in  
> a response. The \_ttl only comes back as a field in this case when it's  
> added to the \_source; but in that case it isn't a \_ttl that Elasticsearch  
> knows about.
> 
> Brian
> 
> On Saturday, May 11, 2013 8:01:18 AM UTC-4, Wojons Tech wrote:
> 
> > This is the mapping [https://gist.github](https://gist.github). **com/wojons/**  
> > d821cc639ec52890b3ec[https://gist.github.com/wojons/d821cc639ec52890b3ec](https://gist.github.com/wojons/d821cc639ec52890b3ec)
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I looked at the Javadoc for the GetResponse.isExists method and the related  
getSourceAsBytes method. It seems to tell me that your response that  
contains "exists":false means that the source of the document doesn't  
exist. But if there is an index.type.id that is found then what is that?  
Elasticsearch's terminology is confusing me here; the source might not  
exist but the index, type, and \_id exist or else you'd get an HTTP 404  
status. So what is the index, type, and \_id if it's not a document? Or is  
the term "document" loosely equated to "document source". Here is the  
relevant Javadoc:

_isExists_

public boolean isExists()  
Does the document exists.

_getSourceAsBytes_

public byte getSourceAsBytes()  
The source of the document if exists.

_isSourceEmpty_

public boolean isSourceEmpty()  
Is the source empty (not available) or not.

One downside to documentation after the code is written is that the code  
becomes difficult to explain. I've never ever created a source-less  
document nor have I seen the issue you are seeing, so I don't know all of  
the corner cases that I would normally use to recreate my own documentation  
of how things work.

Perhaps somewhere in your load you are creating or updating the document  
with the meta data but not providing a source. That's the only thing I can  
think of at this time.

Brian

On Saturday, May 4, 2013 9:42:57 PM UTC-4, Wojons Tech wrote:

> I having a werid issue where I feel like i am loosing documents, a get  
> request fails to get the document but if i do a search for the document it  
> works just fine. So this is the output of a document write
> 
> Array  
> (  
> [ok] =\> 1  
> [\_index] =\> latest  
> [\_type] =\> sysMetrics  
> [\_id] =\> t2QjFSAfQjSJRPv-J8neeA  
> [\_version] =\> 1  
> )
> 
> if I curl for the document
> 
> curl [http://localhost:9200/latest/sysMetrics/t2QjFSAfQjSJRPv-J8neeA](http://localhost:9200/latest/sysMetrics/t2QjFSAfQjSJRPv-J8neeA)
> 
> {"\_index":"latest","\_type":"sysMetrics","\_id":"t2QjFSAfQjSJRPv-J8neeA","exists":false}

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**Post date:** [May 12, 2013, 2:41am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/documents-vanishing/11814/9 "2013-05-12T02:41:23Z")

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Or, you are providing a source but somehow not storing it. Then your get  
request returns with the source not existing, but your normal queries  
return fields because the fields are stored and asked for, but the source  
is not stored.

Again, just some thoughts. I don't store fields: I always store the full  
source and parse it using the supplied Jackson stream parser (works well,  
and helps with updates too).

Brian

On Saturday, May 11, 2013 10:30:41 PM UTC-4, InquiringMind wrote:

> Perhaps somewhere in your load you are creating or updating the document  
> with the meta data but not providing a source. That's the only thing I can  
> think of at this time.
> 
> Brian
> 
> On Saturday, May 4, 2013 9:42:57 PM UTC-4, Wojons Tech wrote:
> 
> > I having a werid issue where I feel like i am loosing documents, a get  
> > request fails to get the document but if i do a search for the document it  
> > works just fine. So this is the output of a document write
> > 
> > Array  
> > (  
> > [ok] =\> 1  
> > [\_index] =\> latest  
> > [\_type] =\> sysMetrics  
> > [\_id] =\> t2QjFSAfQjSJRPv-J8neeA  
> > [\_version] =\> 1  
> > )
> > 
> > if I curl for the document
> > 
> > curl [http://localhost:9200/latest/sysMetrics/t2QjFSAfQjSJRPv-J8neeA](http://localhost:9200/latest/sysMetrics/t2QjFSAfQjSJRPv-J8neeA)
> > 
> > {"\_index":"latest","\_type":"sysMetrics","\_id":"t2QjFSAfQjSJRPv-J8neeA","exists":false}

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Is there anything else i could provide that would help find what the exact  
issue is?

On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 7:41 PM, InquiringMind [brian.from.fl@gmail.com](mailto:brian.from.fl@gmail.com)wrote:

> Or, you are providing a source but somehow not storing it. Then your get  
> request returns with the source not existing, but your normal queries  
> return fields because the fields are stored and asked for, but the source  
> is not stored.
> 
> Again, just some thoughts. I don't store fields: I always store the full  
> source and parse it using the supplied Jackson stream parser (works well,  
> and helps with updates too).
> 
> Brian
> 
> On Saturday, May 11, 2013 10:30:41 PM UTC-4, InquiringMind wrote:
> 
> > Perhaps somewhere in your load you are creating or updating the document  
> > with the meta data but not providing a source. That's the only thing I can  
> > think of at this time.
> > 
> > Brian
> > 
> > On Saturday, May 4, 2013 9:42:57 PM UTC-4, Wojons Tech wrote:
> > 
> > > I having a werid issue where I feel like i am loosing documents, a get  
> > > request fails to get the document but if i do a search for the document it  
> > > works just fine. So this is the output of a document write
> > > 
> > > Array  
> > > (  
> > > [ok] =\> 1  
> > > [\_index] =\> latest  
> > > [\_type] =\> sysMetrics  
> > > [\_id] =\> t2QjFSAfQjSJRPv-J8neeA  
> > > [\_version] =\> 1  
> > > )
> > > 
> > > if I curl for the document
> > > 
> > > curl [http://localhost:9200/latest/\*\*sysMetrics/t2QjFSAfQjSJRPv-\*\*J8neeA](http://localhost:9200/latest/ **sysMetrics/t2QjFSAfQjSJRPv-** J8neeA)[http://localhost:9200/latest/sysMetrics/t2QjFSAfQjSJRPv-J8neeA](http://localhost:9200/latest/sysMetrics/t2QjFSAfQjSJRPv-J8neeA)  
> > > {"\_index":"latest","\_type":" **sysMetrics","\_id":"**  
> > > t2QjFSAfQjSJRPv-J8neeA","\*\*exists":false}
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Hey,

Not sure if this is related but we had a similar problem before with parent child documents:  
[http://elasticsearch-users.115913.n3.nabble.com/Having-problem-retrieving-child-documents-with-their-IDs-td4031448.html](http://elasticsearch-users.115913.n3.nabble.com/Having-problem-retrieving-child-documents-with-their-IDs-td4031448.html)

Pretty much get only looked at 1 shard (out of default 5) but search worked every time...

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Yes, a possibility for us to recreate your problem locally (using curl)  
would be great in order to find out if it is a bug or not.

--Alex

On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 4:53 AM, wojonstech [wojonstech@gmail.com](mailto:wojonstech@gmail.com) wrote:

> Is there anything else i could provide that would help find what the exact  
> issue is?
> 
> On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 7:41 PM, InquiringMind [brian.from.fl@gmail.com](mailto:brian.from.fl@gmail.com)wrote:
> 
> > Or, you are providing a source but somehow not storing it. Then your get  
> > request returns with the source not existing, but your normal queries  
> > return fields because the fields are stored and asked for, but the source  
> > is not stored.
> > 
> > Again, just some thoughts. I don't store fields: I always store the full  
> > source and parse it using the supplied Jackson stream parser (works well,  
> > and helps with updates too).
> > 
> > Brian
> > 
> > On Saturday, May 11, 2013 10:30:41 PM UTC-4, InquiringMind wrote:
> > 
> > > Perhaps somewhere in your load you are creating or updating the document  
> > > with the meta data but not providing a source. That's the only thing I can  
> > > think of at this time.
> > > 
> > > Brian
> > > 
> > > On Saturday, May 4, 2013 9:42:57 PM UTC-4, Wojons Tech wrote:
> > > 
> > > > I having a werid issue where I feel like i am loosing documents, a get  
> > > > request fails to get the document but if i do a search for the document it  
> > > > works just fine. So this is the output of a document write
> > > > 
> > > > Array  
> > > > (  
> > > > [ok] =\> 1  
> > > > [\_index] =\> latest  
> > > > [\_type] =\> sysMetrics  
> > > > [\_id] =\> t2QjFSAfQjSJRPv-J8neeA  
> > > > [\_version] =\> 1  
> > > > )
> > > > 
> > > > if I curl for the document
> > > > 
> > > > curl [http://localhost:9200/latest/\*\*sysMetrics/t2QjFSAfQjSJRPv-\*\*J8neeA](http://localhost:9200/latest/ **sysMetrics/t2QjFSAfQjSJRPv-** J8neeA)[http://localhost:9200/latest/sysMetrics/t2QjFSAfQjSJRPv-J8neeA](http://localhost:9200/latest/sysMetrics/t2QjFSAfQjSJRPv-J8neeA)  
> > > > {"\_index":"latest","\_type":" **sysMetrics","\_id":"**  
> > > > t2QjFSAfQjSJRPv-J8neeA","\*\*exists":false}
> > > 
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just wanted to let everyone know that i found the answer.

[https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/elasticsearch/XUK2gUr6ve8](https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/elasticsearch/XUK2gUr6ve8)

i was writin the documents with routing and not when i did the pulling. for  
now i have disabled routing. how does everyone feel about routing.

On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 12:56 AM, Alexander Reelsen [alr@spinscale.de](mailto:alr@spinscale.de)wrote:

> Yes, a possibility for us to recreate your problem locally (using curl)  
> would be great in order to find out if it is a bug or not.
> 
> --Alex
> 
> On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 4:53 AM, wojonstech [wojonstech@gmail.com](mailto:wojonstech@gmail.com) wrote:
> 
> > Is there anything else i could provide that would help find what the  
> > exact issue is?
> > 
> > On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 7:41 PM, InquiringMind [brian.from.fl@gmail.com](mailto:brian.from.fl@gmail.com)wrote:
> > 
> > > Or, you are providing a source but somehow not storing it. Then your get  
> > > request returns with the source not existing, but your normal queries  
> > > return fields because the fields are stored and asked for, but the source  
> > > is not stored.
> > > 
> > > Again, just some thoughts. I don't store fields: I always store the full  
> > > source and parse it using the supplied Jackson stream parser (works well,  
> > > and helps with updates too).
> > > 
> > > Brian
> > > 
> > > On Saturday, May 11, 2013 10:30:41 PM UTC-4, InquiringMind wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Perhaps somewhere in your load you are creating or updating the  
> > > > document with the meta data but not providing a source. That's the only  
> > > > thing I can think of at this time.
> > > > 
> > > > Brian
> > > > 
> > > > On Saturday, May 4, 2013 9:42:57 PM UTC-4, Wojons Tech wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > I having a werid issue where I feel like i am loosing documents, a get  
> > > > > request fails to get the document but if i do a search for the document it  
> > > > > works just fine. So this is the output of a document write
> > > > > 
> > > > > Array  
> > > > > (  
> > > > > [ok] =\> 1  
> > > > > [\_index] =\> latest  
> > > > > [\_type] =\> sysMetrics  
> > > > > [\_id] =\> t2QjFSAfQjSJRPv-J8neeA  
> > > > > [\_version] =\> 1  
> > > > > )
> > > > > 
> > > > > if I curl for the document
> > > > > 
> > > > > curl [http://localhost:9200/latest/\*\*sysMetrics/t2QjFSAfQjSJRPv-](http://localhost:9200/latest/**sysMetrics/t2QjFSAfQjSJRPv-)\*\*  
> > > > > J8neeA[http://localhost:9200/latest/sysMetrics/t2QjFSAfQjSJRPv-J8neeA](http://localhost:9200/latest/sysMetrics/t2QjFSAfQjSJRPv-J8neeA)  
> > > > > {"\_index":"latest","\_type":" **sysMetrics","\_id":"**  
> > > > > t2QjFSAfQjSJRPv-J8neeA","\*\*exists":false}
> > > > 
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phew! thanks for bringing closure to this!

simon

On Monday, May 20, 2013 10:21:49 AM UTC+2, Wojons Tech wrote:

> just wanted to let everyone know that i found the answer.
> 
> [Redirecting to Google Groups](https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/elasticsearch/XUK2gUr6ve8)
> 
> i was writin the documents with routing and not when i did the pulling.  
> for now i have disabled routing. how does everyone feel about routing.
> 
> On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 12:56 AM, Alexander Reelsen \<[a...@spinscale.de](mailto:a...@spinscale.de)\<javascript:\>
> 
> > wrote:
> 
> > Yes, a possibility for us to recreate your problem locally (using curl)  
> > would be great in order to find out if it is a bug or not.
> > 
> > --Alex
> > 
> > On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 4:53 AM, wojonstech \<[wojon...@gmail.com](mailto:wojon...@gmail.com)\<javascript:\>
> > 
> > > wrote:
> > 
> > > Is there anything else i could provide that would help find what the  
> > > exact issue is?
> > > 
> > > On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 7:41 PM, InquiringMind \<[brian....@gmail.com](mailto:brian....@gmail.com)\<javascript:\>
> > > 
> > > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Or, you are providing a source but somehow not storing it. Then your  
> > > > get request returns with the source not existing, but your normal queries  
> > > > return fields because the fields are stored and asked for, but the source  
> > > > is not stored.
> > > > 
> > > > Again, just some thoughts. I don't store fields: I always store the  
> > > > full source and parse it using the supplied Jackson stream parser (works  
> > > > well, and helps with updates too).
> > > > 
> > > > Brian
> > > > 
> > > > On Saturday, May 11, 2013 10:30:41 PM UTC-4, InquiringMind wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Perhaps somewhere in your load you are creating or updating the  
> > > > > document with the meta data but not providing a source. That's the only  
> > > > > thing I can think of at this time.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Brian
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Saturday, May 4, 2013 9:42:57 PM UTC-4, Wojons Tech wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > I having a werid issue where I feel like i am loosing documents, a  
> > > > > > get request fails to get the document but if i do a search for the document  
> > > > > > it works just fine. So this is the output of a document write
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Array  
> > > > > > (  
> > > > > > [ok] =\> 1  
> > > > > > [\_index] =\> latest  
> > > > > > [\_type] =\> sysMetrics  
> > > > > > [\_id] =\> t2QjFSAfQjSJRPv-J8neeA  
> > > > > > [\_version] =\> 1  
> > > > > > )
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > if I curl for the document
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > curl [http://localhost:9200/latest/\*\*sysMetrics/t2QjFSAfQjSJRPv-](http://localhost:9200/latest/**sysMetrics/t2QjFSAfQjSJRPv-)\*\*  
> > > > > > J8neeA[http://localhost:9200/latest/sysMetrics/t2QjFSAfQjSJRPv-J8neeA](http://localhost:9200/latest/sysMetrics/t2QjFSAfQjSJRPv-J8neeA)  
> > > > > > {"\_index":"latest","\_type":" **sysMetrics","\_id":"**  
> > > > > > t2QjFSAfQjSJRPv-J8neeA","\*\*exists":false}
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for all the known elasticsearch masters that may ever find this. what i am  
guessing is the issue is the \_id for this document would normally route to  
a selective shard. based on some hash distrobution. but since i had custom  
routing i would see the documents when the document would have ended up on  
the shard it got routed to based on the \_id anyway.

Searches were not effected because they were not using routing and calling  
all nodes.

On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 4:22 AM, simonw  
[simon.willnauer@elasticsearch.com](mailto:simon.willnauer@elasticsearch.com)wrote:

> phew! thanks for bringing closure to this!
> 
> simon
> 
> On Monday, May 20, 2013 10:21:49 AM UTC+2, Wojons Tech wrote:
> 
> > just wanted to let everyone know that i found the answer.
> > 
> > [https://groups.google.com/\*\*forum/?fromgroups#!topic/](https://groups.google.com/**forum/?fromgroups#!topic/)\*\*  
> > elasticsearch/XUK2gUr6ve8[https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/elasticsearch/XUK2gUr6ve8](https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/elasticsearch/XUK2gUr6ve8)
> > 
> > i was writin the documents with routing and not when i did the pulling.  
> > for now i have disabled routing. how does everyone feel about routing.
> > 
> > On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 12:56 AM, Alexander Reelsen [a...@spinscale.de](mailto:a...@spinscale.de)wrote:
> > 
> > > Yes, a possibility for us to recreate your problem locally (using curl)  
> > > would be great in order to find out if it is a bug or not.
> > > 
> > > --Alex
> > > 
> > > On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 4:53 AM, wojonstech [wojon...@gmail.com](mailto:wojon...@gmail.com) wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Is there anything else i could provide that would help find what the  
> > > > exact issue is?
> > > > 
> > > > On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 7:41 PM, InquiringMind [brian....@gmail.com](mailto:brian....@gmail.com)wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Or, you are providing a source but somehow not storing it. Then your  
> > > > > get request returns with the source not existing, but your normal queries  
> > > > > return fields because the fields are stored and asked for, but the source  
> > > > > is not stored.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Again, just some thoughts. I don't store fields: I always store the  
> > > > > full source and parse it using the supplied Jackson stream parser (works  
> > > > > well, and helps with updates too).
> > > > > 
> > > > > Brian
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Saturday, May 11, 2013 10:30:41 PM UTC-4, InquiringMind wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Perhaps somewhere in your load you are creating or updating the  
> > > > > > document with the meta data but not providing a source. That's the only  
> > > > > > thing I can think of at this time.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Brian
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On Saturday, May 4, 2013 9:42:57 PM UTC-4, Wojons Tech wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I having a werid issue where I feel like i am loosing documents, a  
> > > > > > > get request fails to get the document but if i do a search for the document  
> > > > > > > it works just fine. So this is the output of a document write
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Array  
> > > > > > > (  
> > > > > > > [ok] =\> 1  
> > > > > > > [\_index] =\> latest  
> > > > > > > [\_type] =\> sysMetrics  
> > > > > > > [\_id] =\> t2QjFSAfQjSJRPv-J8neeA  
> > > > > > > [\_version] =\> 1  
> > > > > > > )
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > if I curl for the document
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > curl [http://localhost:9200/latest/\*\*s\*\*ysMetrics/t2QjFSAfQjSJRPv-](http://localhost:9200/latest/ **s** ysMetrics/t2QjFSAfQjSJRPv-)\*\*  
> > > > > > > J8ne\*\*eA[http://localhost:9200/latest/sysMetrics/t2QjFSAfQjSJRPv-J8neeA](http://localhost:9200/latest/sysMetrics/t2QjFSAfQjSJRPv-J8neeA)  
> > > > > > > {"\_index":"latest","\_type":" **sy** sMetrics","\_id":" **t2QjFSAfQjSJR**  
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**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/original/3X/1/a/1ac57faf039f6b580b3f104ef42a2a89e41014de.png) [@system](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/system)\
**Post date:** [July 6, 2017, 2:35am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/documents-vanishing/11814/16 "2017-07-06T02:35:42Z")

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