# Elasticsearch Cluster Sizing
**URL:** https://discuss.elastic.co/t/elasticsearch-cluster-sizing/329703
**Category:** Elasticsearch
**Created:** [April 11, 2023, 4:36am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/elasticsearch-cluster-sizing/329703 "2023-04-11T04:36:20Z")
**Posts on this page:** 6
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### Author:  [@Darshan\_J](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/Darshan_J)
#### Post date: [April 11, 2023, 4:36am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/elasticsearch-cluster-sizing/329703/1 "2023-04-11T04:36:20Z")
> **[Quantitative Cluster Sizing](https://www.elastic.co/webinars/elasticsearch-sizing-and-capacity-planning)**
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> This webinar covers the capacity planning frameworks, methodologies, and best practices used by the solutions architects at Elastic. You will learn how to estimate the architecture requirements for typical Elasticsearch use cases.
The webinar above showcases bunch of formulas for Elasticsearch cluster sizing. There are [discussions](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/question-about-throughput-sizing/198137) where responses show unfamiliarity with the formulas or techniques given in the webinar. The discussion also follows saying these formulas have many assumptions behind it. So my question is
1. What are those assumptions, which is not specified in the webinar or presentation, behind the following formulas,
Volume sizing:
Throughput sizing:
1. I know the sizing depends on many factors and use cases and there is no fixed technique.. After looking at some [discussions](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/question-about-throughput-sizing/198137) I'm starting to wonder the feasibility of these formulas. So I'm requesting some clarity on these formulas and also use cases that it would be helpful in.
2. My scenario is I want to size a cluster by deciding the number of nodes in it and resources like disk size CPU RAM etc allocated to those nodes. So Im using Volume Sizing to find the total disk space and number of nodes... and Throughtput sizing to find Thread pool size. Im confused as in which output(Total Data nodes) to consider for number of nodes, is it from Volume sizing or throughput sizing... both formulas has total Data nodes as output at the end.
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### Author:  [@Christian\_Dahlqvist](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/Christian_Dahlqvist)
#### Post date: [April 11, 2023, 6:46am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/elasticsearch-cluster-sizing/329703/2 "2023-04-11T06:46:35Z")
Can you please describe your use case?
What type of data are you ingesting?
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### Author:  [@Darshan\_J](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/Darshan_J)
#### Post date: [April 11, 2023, 7:30am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/elasticsearch-cluster-sizing/329703/3 "2023-04-11T07:30:31Z")
Actually I'm trying to build a utility that considers several factors like Document size, document count per day, retention period, number of replicas, read rate, write rate etc... and give a output like how many number of nodes you need and amount of storage, RAM and CPU for those nodes. Thats when I came across those formulas and thought it was appropriate for what I'm doing until I came across that discussion which I have mentioned above which is creating some doubts for me about the formulas. talking about the use case Ideally this utility should work for any use case.. Is this even possible ?
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### Author:  [@Christian\_Dahlqvist](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/Christian_Dahlqvist)
#### Post date: [April 11, 2023, 9:10am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/elasticsearch-cluster-sizing/329703/4 "2023-04-11T09:10:08Z")
This webinar and the given formulas assume a standard log and metrics use case where immutable data is ingested and queried a a reasonable level. They will give you a rough estimate of the cluster and node size needed. There are a lot of factors that affect the sizing, e.g. query rates, acceptable query latencies, storage performance, peak to average ingest ratios, data and quey complexity etc, so i always recommend testing with real data or running a realustic benchmark to get a more accurate estimate.
Search use cases are often sized very differently and these formulas would not apply.
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### Author:  [@Darshan\_J](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/Darshan_J)
#### Post date: [April 11, 2023, 9:57am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/elasticsearch-cluster-sizing/329703/5 "2023-04-11T09:57:00Z")
Ok thanks for your response. Is there any hands-on sessions or tutorials on how to do benchmarking and from that how to do sizing ?
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### Author:  [@system](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/system)
#### Post date: [May 9, 2023, 9:57am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/elasticsearch-cluster-sizing/329703/6 "2023-05-09T09:57:05Z")
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