# Endpoint \_cat/indices doesn't work when "license expired"?

**URL:** <https://discuss.elastic.co/t/endpoint-cat-indices-doesnt-work-when-license-expired/342644>\
**Category:** Elasticsearch\
**Tags:** docker\
**Created:** [September 8, 2023, 11:55pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/endpoint-cat-indices-doesnt-work-when-license-expired/342644 "2023-09-08T23:55:23Z")\
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**Post date:** [September 9, 2023, 2:48pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/endpoint-cat-indices-doesnt-work-when-license-expired/342644/4 "2023-09-09T14:48:14Z")

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@DavidTurner

Apologies...Wow I stand moderately corrected 🙂

Reverting to a Basic license should re-renable That functionality correct

And From our own current docs [here](https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/kibana/current/managing-licenses.html#license-expiration)

> If your license expires, your subscription level reverts to Basic and you will no longer be able to use Platinum or Enterprise features.

So I am confused .... That would imply that all basic functionality shall work. No mention of basic management functions being blocked.

but [here](https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/kibana/7.17/managing-licenses.html) for 7.x

I do see this

> Access to the cluster health and stats APIs is critical for monitoring and managing an Elasticsearch cluster.

and

> Cluster health, cluster stats, and indices stats operations are blocked.

> Once the license expires, calls to the cluster health, cluster stats, and index stats APIs fail with a `security_exception` and return a 403 HTTP status code.

Somehow I have never seen that before...

Perhaps in 7.x You have to manually revert to a basic license before you can use those APIs?

Would reverting to a basic license restore?

Seems inconsistent / odd to block listing indices ...

@Mathemaphysics

What version are you on?

And HUH interesting I just tested this...

I have a 8.9 cluster that is getting near EO license and in the logs I see so that same behavior seems to be in 8.x even though it is not mentioned in the docs...

```auto
If you have a new license, please update it. Otherwise, please reach out to
# your support contact.
# 
# Commercial plugins operate with reduced functionality on license expiration:
# - security
# - Cluster health, cluster stats and indices stats operations are blocked
# - All data operations (read and write) continue to work
# - watcher

```

So the question stands ...

Does reverting to a Basic license re-enable the health, cluster stats and indices stats operations when basic security (Free) is enabled?

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