# How to create users and roles without using x pack **URL:** \ **Category:** Kibana\ **Created:** [October 3, 2017, 9:39am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/how-to-create-users-and-roles-without-using-x-pack/102538 "2017-10-03T09:39:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 3\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ajit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ajit](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/ajit)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 9:39am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/how-to-create-users-and-roles-without-using-x-pack/102538/1 "2017-10-03T09:39:30Z")
I need to create users and roles in kibana for access control to elasticsearch index. I want to implement this without using x pack. Please provide solution. ---
**Author:** ![mujtabahussain](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/mujtabahussain/32/17514_2.png) [@mujtabahussain](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/mujtabahussain)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2017, 12:49am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/how-to-create-users-and-roles-without-using-x-pack/102538/2 "2017-10-04T00:49:47Z")
> [@ajit](#): > > I need to create users and roles in kibana for access control to elasticsearch index. What's the aim? > [@](#): > > I want to implement this without using x pack Why? Whats the constraint that stops you from using x-pack? > [@](#): > > Please provide solution We can only provide help and advice 🙂 The solution you will have to find yourself 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/original/3X/1/a/1ac57faf039f6b580b3f104ef42a2a89e41014de.png) [@system](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2017, 12:50am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/how-to-create-users-and-roles-without-using-x-pack/102538/3 "2017-11-01T00:50:18Z")
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