# How would you compare ES, Lucene with Enterprise Search? **URL:** \ **Category:** Elasticsearch\ **Created:** [May 22, 2013, 2:17am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/how-would-you-compare-es-lucene-with-enterprise-search/12063 "2013-05-22T02:17:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![paul\_3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/dfb087/32.png) [@paul\_3](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/paul_3)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2013, 2:17am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/how-would-you-compare-es-lucene-with-enterprise-search/12063/1 "2013-05-22T02:17:45Z")
Hi, How would you compare community-based search engines (ES, Apache Lucene) with Commercial Enterprise Search (IBM, EMC, Oracle Endeca - MDEX Engine, etc) ? Thanks. Paul -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "elasticsearch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [elasticsearch+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com](mailto:elasticsearch+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com). For more options, visit [https://groups.google.com/groups/opt\_out](https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out). ---
**Author:** ![otisg](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/otisg/32/492_2.png) [@otisg](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/otisg)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2013, 7:29pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/how-would-you-compare-es-lucene-with-enterprise-search/12063/2 "2013-05-22T19:29:11Z")
Hi Paul, Hm, that's a pretty big question. For one, open-source engines are cheaper. 🙂 But maybe you have specific requirements or features you want to inquire about? ## Otis ELASTICSEARCH Performance Monitoring - [Sematext Monitoring | Infrastructure Monitoring Service](http://sematext.com/spm/index.html) Search Analytics - [Cloud Monitoring Tools & Services | Sematext](http://sematext.com/search-analytics/index.html) On Tuesday, May 21, 2013 10:17:45 PM UTC-4, Paul wrote: > Hi, > > How would you compare community-based search engines (ES, Apache Lucene) > with Commercial Enterprise Search (IBM, EMC, Oracle Endeca - MDEX Engine, > etc) ? > > Thanks. > Paul -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "elasticsearch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [elasticsearch+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com](mailto:elasticsearch+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com). For more options, visit [https://groups.google.com/groups/opt\_out](https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out). ---
**Author:** ![paul\_3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/dfb087/32.png) [@paul\_3](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/paul_3)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2013, 9:10am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/how-would-you-compare-es-lucene-with-enterprise-search/12063/3 "2013-05-23T09:10:09Z")
Hi Otis Probably not the best place here to ask. maybe quora. Apart from the cost and support, what about performance? On Thursday, May 23, 2013 3:29:11 AM UTC+8, Otis Gospodnetic wrote: > Hi Paul, > > Hm, that's a pretty big question. For one, open-source engines are > cheaper. 🙂 > But maybe you have specific requirements or features you want to inquire > about? > > ## Otis > > ELASTICSEARCH Performance Monitoring - [Sematext Monitoring | Infrastructure Monitoring Service](http://sematext.com/spm/index.html) > Search Analytics - [Cloud Monitoring Tools & Services | Sematext](http://sematext.com/search-analytics/index.html) > > On Tuesday, May 21, 2013 10:17:45 PM UTC-4, Paul wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > How would you compare community-based search engines (ES, Apache Lucene) > > with Commercial Enterprise Search (IBM, EMC, Oracle Endeca - MDEX > > Engine, etc) ? > > > > Thanks. > > Paul -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "elasticsearch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [elasticsearch+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com](mailto:elasticsearch+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com). For more options, visit [https://groups.google.com/groups/opt\_out](https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out). ---
**Author:** ![otisg](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/otisg/32/492_2.png) [@otisg](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/otisg)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2013, 4:28pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/how-would-you-compare-es-lucene-with-enterprise-search/12063/4 "2013-05-24T16:28:17Z")
Hi, Short answer: I don't know. Medium answer: I'm sure each vendor would claim superiority or, if losing in perf, would bring up functionality their tool has that others do not True answer: you would really have to test it yourself. There are a million ways to do comparative benchmarks and lots of different use cases, that it's impossible to test them all and provide truthful reports. What I can say though is that OSS search engines like ES and Solr can be _very_ fast if you know how to use them. For example, Sematext had a client recently whose initial queries against a 500K doc index took 90 seconds. We changed the structure of the index in a way that may have seemed crazy to some and ended up with 10x "taller" index that was returning results in just a few seconds on a single machine. So since open-source engines are free to use, you should simply try them out and see if they are fast enough for you, for your use case. I'll bet my left pinkie that you'll find they'll be plenty fast. And if they are not, you can get help on this ML or from companies that provide ES consulting services. ## Otis ELASTICSEARCH Performance Monitoring - [Sematext Monitoring | Infrastructure Monitoring Service](http://sematext.com/spm)[http://sematext.com/spm/index.html](http://sematext.com/spm/index.html) On Thursday, May 23, 2013 5:10:09 AM UTC-4, Paul wrote: > Hi Otis > > Probably not the best place here to ask. maybe quora. > > Apart from the cost and support, what about performance? > > On Thursday, May 23, 2013 3:29:11 AM UTC+8, Otis Gospodnetic wrote: > > > Hi Paul, > > > > Hm, that's a pretty big question. For one, open-source engines are > > cheaper. 🙂 > > But maybe you have specific requirements or features you want to inquire > > about? > > > > ## Otis > > > > ELASTICSEARCH Performance Monitoring - [Sematext Monitoring | Infrastructure Monitoring Service](http://sematext.com/spm/index.html) > > Search Analytics - [Cloud Monitoring Tools & Services | Sematext](http://sematext.com/search-analytics/index.html) > > > > On Tuesday, May 21, 2013 10:17:45 PM UTC-4, Paul wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > How would you compare community-based search engines (ES, Apache Lucene) > > > with Commercial Enterprise Search (IBM, EMC, Oracle Endeca - MDEX > > > Engine, etc) ? > > > > > > Thanks. > > > Paul -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "elasticsearch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [elasticsearch+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com](mailto:elasticsearch+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com). For more options, visit [https://groups.google.com/groups/opt\_out](https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out). ---
**Author:** ![Shawn\_Johnson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/34f0e0/32.png) [@Shawn\_Johnson](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/Shawn_Johnson)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2014, 4:09pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/how-would-you-compare-es-lucene-with-enterprise-search/12063/5 "2014-08-13T16:09:07Z")
Otis, I know this is old, but what do you mean by "taller"? On Friday, May 24, 2013 12:28:17 PM UTC-4, Otis Gospodnetic wrote: > Hi, > > Short answer: I don't know. > Medium answer: I'm sure each vendor would claim superiority or, if losing > in perf, would bring up functionality their tool has that others do not > True answer: you would really have to test it yourself. There are a > million ways to do comparative benchmarks and lots of different use cases, > that it's impossible to test them all and provide truthful reports. > > What I can say though is that OSS search engines like ES and Solr can be > _very_ fast if you know how to use them. For example, Sematext had a > client recently whose initial queries against a 500K doc index took 90 > seconds. We changed the structure of the index in a way that may have > seemed crazy to some and ended up with 10x "taller" index that was > returning results in just a few seconds on a single machine. So since > open-source engines are free to use, you should simply try them out and see > if they are fast enough for you, for your use case. I'll bet my left > pinkie that you'll find they'll be plenty fast. And if they are not, you > can get help on this ML or from companies that provide ES consulting > services. > > ## Otis > > ELASTICSEARCH Performance Monitoring - [Sematext Monitoring | Infrastructure Monitoring Service](http://sematext.com/spm) > [http://sematext.com/spm/index.html](http://sematext.com/spm/index.html) > > On Thursday, May 23, 2013 5:10:09 AM UTC-4, Paul wrote: > > > Hi Otis > > > > Probably not the best place here to ask. maybe quora. > > > > Apart from the cost and support, what about performance? > > > > On Thursday, May 23, 2013 3:29:11 AM UTC+8, Otis Gospodnetic wrote: > > > > > Hi Paul, > > > > > > Hm, that's a pretty big question. For one, open-source engines are > > > cheaper. 🙂 > > > But maybe you have specific requirements or features you want to inquire > > > about? > > > > > > ## Otis > > > > > > ELASTICSEARCH Performance Monitoring - > > > [Sematext Monitoring | Infrastructure Monitoring Service](http://sematext.com/spm/index.html) > > > Search Analytics - [Cloud Monitoring Tools & Services | Sematext](http://sematext.com/search-analytics/index.html) > > > > > > On Tuesday, May 21, 2013 10:17:45 PM UTC-4, Paul wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > How would you compare community-based search engines (ES, Apache > > > > Lucene) with Commercial Enterprise Search (IBM, EMC, Oracle Endeca - MDEX > > > > Engine, etc) ? > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > Paul -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "elasticsearch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [elasticsearch+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com](mailto:elasticsearch+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com). To view this discussion on the web visit [https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/elasticsearch/0407ad67-07da-4d9f-9ee5-f5190aef2816%40googlegroups.com](https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/elasticsearch/0407ad67-07da-4d9f-9ee5-f5190aef2816%40googlegroups.com). For more options, visit [https://groups.google.com/d/optout](https://groups.google.com/d/optout). ---
**Author:** ![otisg](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/otisg/32/492_2.png) [@otisg](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/otisg)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2014, 11:42am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/how-would-you-compare-es-lucene-with-enterprise-search/12063/6 "2014-08-17T11:42:45Z")
Hi, "Taller" in this context means "more documents". ## Otis Elasticsearch Performance Monitoring \* Log Analytics \* Search Analytics Solr & Elasticsearch Support \* [http://sematext.com/](http://sematext.com/) On Wednesday, August 13, 2014 6:09:07 PM UTC+2, Shawn Johnson wrote: > Otis, > I know this is old, but what do you mean by "taller"? > > On Friday, May 24, 2013 12:28:17 PM UTC-4, Otis Gospodnetic wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Short answer: I don't know. > > Medium answer: I'm sure each vendor would claim superiority or, if losing > > in perf, would bring up functionality their tool has that others do not > > True answer: you would really have to test it yourself. There are a > > million ways to do comparative benchmarks and lots of different use cases, > > that it's impossible to test them all and provide truthful reports. > > > > What I can say though is that OSS search engines like ES and Solr can be > > _very_ fast if you know how to use them. For example, Sematext had a > > client recently whose initial queries against a 500K doc index took 90 > > seconds. We changed the structure of the index in a way that may have > > seemed crazy to some and ended up with 10x "taller" index that was > > returning results in just a few seconds on a single machine. So since > > open-source engines are free to use, you should simply try them out and see > > if they are fast enough for you, for your use case. I'll bet my left > > pinkie that you'll find they'll be plenty fast. And if they are not, you > > can get help on this ML or from companies that provide ES consulting > > services. > > > > ## Otis > > > > ELASTICSEARCH Performance Monitoring - [Sematext Monitoring | Infrastructure Monitoring Service](http://sematext.com/spm) > > [http://sematext.com/spm/index.html](http://sematext.com/spm/index.html) > > > > On Thursday, May 23, 2013 5:10:09 AM UTC-4, Paul wrote: > > > > > Hi Otis > > > > > > Probably not the best place here to ask. maybe quora. > > > > > > Apart from the cost and support, what about performance? > > > > > > On Thursday, May 23, 2013 3:29:11 AM UTC+8, Otis Gospodnetic wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Paul, > > > > > > > > Hm, that's a pretty big question. For one, open-source engines are > > > > cheaper. 🙂 > > > > But maybe you have specific requirements or features you want to > > > > inquire about? > > > > > > > > ## Otis > > > > > > > > ELASTICSEARCH Performance Monitoring - > > > > [Sematext Monitoring | Infrastructure Monitoring Service](http://sematext.com/spm/index.html) > > > > Search Analytics - [Cloud Monitoring Tools & Services | Sematext](http://sematext.com/search-analytics/index.html) > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, May 21, 2013 10:17:45 PM UTC-4, Paul wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > How would you compare community-based search engines (ES, Apache > > > > > Lucene) with Commercial Enterprise Search (IBM, EMC, Oracle Endeca - MDEX > > > > > Engine, etc) ? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > Paul -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "elasticsearch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [elasticsearch+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com](mailto:elasticsearch+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com). To view this discussion on the web visit [https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/elasticsearch/83da9d52-9184-41f4-8dd4-e7399d75cb9a%40googlegroups.com](https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/elasticsearch/83da9d52-9184-41f4-8dd4-e7399d75cb9a%40googlegroups.com). For more options, visit [https://groups.google.com/d/optout](https://groups.google.com/d/optout). ---
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