# "Index Patterns" is broken in 6.5 **URL:** \ **Category:** Kibana\ **Created:** [November 23, 2018, 2:32pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/index-patterns-is-broken-in-6-5/158024 "2018-11-23T14:32:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![alexus](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/alexus/32/12696_2.png) [@alexus](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/alexus)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2018, 2:32pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/index-patterns-is-broken-in-6-5/158024/1 "2018-11-23T14:32:06Z")
Hello, Whenever I try to navigate through `Management` -\> `Index Patterns` (w/ 6.5.0 and 6.5.1), only single "default index" is shown, I cannot add, remove any of patterns and I can only refresh default one. Please advise. ---
**Author:** ![bhavyarm](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/bhavyarm/32/22392_2.png) [@bhavyarm](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/bhavyarm)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2018, 2:36pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/index-patterns-is-broken-in-6-5/158024/2 "2018-11-23T14:36:39Z")
Hi, So you cannot add any new index patterns? Or are you trying to add fields to an index pattern? Fields can be added directly to elasticsearch. If it's the former - do you have permissions to add index patterns? Are you seeing any error in the console? Also do you have data in elasticsearch for the index patterns you are trying to create? Thanks, Bhavya ---
**Author:** ![alexus](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/alexus/32/12696_2.png) [@alexus](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/alexus)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2018, 2:38pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/index-patterns-is-broken-in-6-5/158024/3 "2018-11-23T14:38:20Z")
@bhavyarm - I cannot add any new index patterns as I was able to do it in 6.4.2, I do have permissions (I'm "superuser") and I'm not getting any errors (on screen and/or in Kibana logs). ---
**Author:** ![bhavyarm](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/bhavyarm/32/22392_2.png) [@bhavyarm](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/bhavyarm)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2018, 2:48pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/index-patterns-is-broken-in-6-5/158024/4 "2018-11-23T14:48:43Z")
Can you please post a screenshot? And do this http://:9200/\_cat/indices and check if you have indices in elasticsearch for which you are trying to create your index pattern? Thanks, Bhavya ---
**Author:** ![alexus](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/alexus/32/12696_2.png) [@alexus](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/alexus)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2018, 3:04pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/index-patterns-is-broken-in-6-5/158024/5 "2018-11-23T15:04:40Z")
My indices (`filebeat*`, `metricbeat*`, `logstash*`, `myapp*`, etc.) are in elasticsearch (via `GET /_cat/indices`) , and even though `logstash` pattern is visible (only on the right), rest of my patterns are missing (patterns was there back at 6.4.2) ![59%20AM](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/original/3X/e/8/e89b490f82972ea6a119f6b4833b0ae6dc17d2eb.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![bhavyarm](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/bhavyarm/32/22392_2.png) [@bhavyarm](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/bhavyarm)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2018, 3:20pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/index-patterns-is-broken-in-6-5/158024/6 "2018-11-23T15:20:11Z")
Interesting. And you cannot see the create index pattern button correct? ---
**Author:** ![alexus](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/alexus/32/12696_2.png) [@alexus](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/alexus)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2018, 3:21pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/index-patterns-is-broken-in-6-5/158024/7 "2018-11-23T15:21:07Z")
correct ---
**Author:** ![bhavyarm](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/bhavyarm/32/22392_2.png) [@bhavyarm](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/bhavyarm)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2018, 3:22pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/index-patterns-is-broken-in-6-5/158024/8 "2018-11-23T15:22:17Z")
Alright. Thanks for giving me all the info. I think we have an existing bug. I will keep you posted. Cheers, Bhavya ---
**Author:** ![alexus](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/alexus/32/12696_2.png) [@alexus](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/alexus)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2018, 3:23pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/index-patterns-is-broken-in-6-5/158024/9 "2018-11-23T15:23:53Z")
"Thank you!" and "Thanks to entire Elastic Team" for being so on top of things) ---
**Author:** ![alexus](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/alexus/32/12696_2.png) [@alexus](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/alexus)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2018, 9:07pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/index-patterns-is-broken-in-6-5/158024/10 "2018-11-24T21:07:00Z")
I found a way to replicate issue... all you have to do is to have closed index and that brakes Kibana. ---
**Author:** ![Bill\_McConaghy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed655f/32.png) [@Bill\_McConaghy](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/Bill_McConaghy)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2018, 1:14pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/index-patterns-is-broken-in-6-5/158024/11 "2018-11-26T13:14:54Z")
@alexus this sounds awfully similar to this known issue: [https://github.com/elastic/kibana/issues/20920](https://github.com/elastic/kibana/issues/20920) . Do you by chance have aliases involved here? Also, do you have security enabled? ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/original/3X/1/a/1ac57faf039f6b580b3f104ef42a2a89e41014de.png) [@system](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/system)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2018, 1:14pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/index-patterns-is-broken-in-6-5/158024/12 "2018-12-24T13:14:56Z")
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