# Is it possible to migrate visualizations from version 4.1 to 6.4
**URL:** https://discuss.elastic.co/t/is-it-possible-to-migrate-visualizations-from-version-4-1-to-6-4/200220
**Category:** Kibana
**Created:** [September 19, 2019, 2:09pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/is-it-possible-to-migrate-visualizations-from-version-4-1-to-6-4/200220 "2019-09-19T14:09:01Z")
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### Author:  [@jeffzhao](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/jeffzhao)
#### Post date: [September 19, 2019, 2:09pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/is-it-possible-to-migrate-visualizations-from-version-4-1-to-6-4/200220/1 "2019-09-19T14:09:01Z")
We want to upgrade from Elasticsearch 1.7 + Kibana 4.1 to Elasticsearch 6.4 + Kibana 6.4.
We have setup a new cluster using Elasticsearch 6.4 + Kibana 6.4. We also migrated the Elasticsearch index using reindex-from-remote approach successfully.
Since there are so many Kibana visualizations created in the old cluster, we want to migrate them to the new cluster without re-creating.
I have followed this document to reindex .kibana index. When opening the saved visualization, I got error "The index pattern associated with this object no longer exists."
> **[Migrating Kibana index to 6.0 | Kibana User Guide \[6.4\] | Elastic](https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/kibana/6.4/migrating-6.0-index.html)**
Then I found this thread and tried the workaround with Export/Import:
> [@Kibana 5 Visualisations broken after Upgrade to 6](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/kibana-5-visualisations-broken-after-upgrade-to-6/120881):
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> Hi Guys, i upgraded last week from 5.6 to 6.2 but now almost all of my old visualisations are broken. If i'll click on a individual vis, i'll be redirected to Management-\>Saved Object. There i get the error: There is a problem with this saved object The index pattern associated with this object no longer exists. If you know what this error means, go ahead and fix it — otherwise click the delete button above. I think it has something to do with the kibana(6)-Index?! The Index of the visual…
While importing I still receive this warning: " The following saved objects use index patterns that do not exist. Please select the index patterns you'd like re-associated with them. You can [create a new index pattern](https://qi-new-kibana-cluster-beta.integ.amazon.com/app/kibana#/management/kibana/index) if necessary." along with this error message: "Cannot read property 'save' of undefined".
Is this the right way to migrate visualizations from ver 4.1 to 6.4?
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### Author:  [@Christian\_Dahlqvist](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/Christian_Dahlqvist)
#### Post date: [September 19, 2019, 2:11pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/is-it-possible-to-migrate-visualizations-from-version-4-1-to-6-4/200220/2 "2019-09-19T14:11:15Z")
No there is as far as I know not. At least not unless you step through all the versions. You will unfortunately likely need to recreate.
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### Author:  [@jeffzhao](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/jeffzhao)
#### Post date: [September 20, 2019, 2:31pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/is-it-possible-to-migrate-visualizations-from-version-4-1-to-6-4/200220/3 "2019-09-20T14:31:32Z")
Hi Christian\_Dahlqvist,
Do you think if it's going to work if I go through the 4.1 to 5.x, 5.x to 6.x path?
I'm considering to setup a separate 5.x cluster just for this migration purpose. But I'd like to verify if somebody else has successfully done it.
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### Author:  [@Christian\_Dahlqvist](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/Christian_Dahlqvist)
#### Post date: [September 20, 2019, 3:59pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/is-it-possible-to-migrate-visualizations-from-version-4-1-to-6-4/200220/4 "2019-09-20T15:59:38Z")
I do not know how migrations have evolved over time and whether something is likely to break. I would wait for someone from the Kibana team to comment.
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### Author:  [@jeffzhao](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/jeffzhao)
#### Post date: [September 21, 2019, 2:31pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/is-it-possible-to-migrate-visualizations-from-version-4-1-to-6-4/200220/5 "2019-09-21T14:31:53Z")
Kibana team,
Since we have 1,000+ visulizations created in version 4.1, we desperately want an approach to automate the migration process. Is there any solution or workaround?
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### Author:  [@system](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/system)
#### Post date: [October 19, 2019, 2:37pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/is-it-possible-to-migrate-visualizations-from-version-4-1-to-6-4/200220/6 "2019-10-19T14:37:57Z")
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