# Is Kibana 4.x still free to use on Production?
**URL:** https://discuss.elastic.co/t/is-kibana-4-x-still-free-to-use-on-production/28683
**Category:** Kibana
**Created:** [September 4, 2015, 12:28pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/is-kibana-4-x-still-free-to-use-on-production/28683 "2015-09-04T12:28:17Z")
**Posts on this page:** 6
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### Author:  [@Youxu](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/Youxu)
#### Post date: [September 4, 2015, 12:28pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/is-kibana-4-x-still-free-to-use-on-production/28683/1 "2015-09-04T12:28:17Z")
Someone told me that Kibana 4.x is not free to use on production, to use it on product, we need pay for license, Is that true?
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### Author:  [@Christian\_Dahlqvist](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/Christian_Dahlqvist)
#### Post date: [September 4, 2015, 12:34pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/is-kibana-4-x-still-free-to-use-on-production/28683/2 "2015-09-04T12:34:23Z")
It is released under the Apache 2.0 open source licence and is free to use in production.
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### Author:  [@magnusbaeck](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/magnusbaeck)
#### Post date: [September 5, 2015, 8:35am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/is-kibana-4-x-still-free-to-use-on-production/28683/3 "2015-09-05T08:35:02Z")
This is the second time in a couple of days that this question pops up, and when looking at [https://www.elastic.co/subscriptions](https://www.elastic.co/subscriptions) it's easy to understand why. Perhaps that page can be updated to make it more clear that you don't need a subscription to use any components in the stack in production?
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### Author:  [@Youxu](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/Youxu)
#### Post date: [September 5, 2015, 2:57pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/is-kibana-4-x-still-free-to-use-on-production/28683/4 "2015-09-05T14:57:20Z")
So, per that page, the subscription is only needed for support from ES?
But I think at least marvel & shield are commercial products, they are not free to use on product, am I right?
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### Author:  [@magnusbaeck](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/magnusbaeck)
#### Post date: [September 5, 2015, 5:58pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/is-kibana-4-x-still-free-to-use-on-production/28683/5 "2015-09-05T17:58:05Z")
Correct. Marvel, Watcher, and Shield are commercial products that are included in some of the paid support plans according to [https://www.elastic.co/subscriptions](https://www.elastic.co/subscriptions). Those paid support plans are not needed for Elasticsearch, Logstash, Kibana, or any of Elastic's other open source products.
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### Author:  [@system](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/system)
#### Post date: [July 6, 2017, 2:13pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/is-kibana-4-x-still-free-to-use-on-production/28683/6 "2017-07-06T14:13:42Z")