# Kibana 7.17.1 -- can't find index pattern uuids?

**URL:** <https://discuss.elastic.co/t/kibana-7-17-1-cant-find-index-pattern-uuids/312059>\
**Category:** Kibana\
**Created:** [August 13, 2022, 9:46pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/kibana-7-17-1-cant-find-index-pattern-uuids/312059 "2022-08-13T21:46:35Z")\
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**Author:** ![Russell\_Fulton](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/russell_fulton/32/62888_2.png) [@Russell\_Fulton](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/Russell_Fulton)\
**Post date:** [August 13, 2022, 9:46pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/kibana-7-17-1-cant-find-index-pattern-uuids/312059/1 "2022-08-13T21:46:35Z")

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On several occasions with older release I have exported saved objects fiddled with the pattern uuid and then imported them back.

I am now doing a major migration of dashboards where I need to change the index patterns,

firstly I note that the older visualisations and dashboards have different representations to more recent ones which don't have long random ids in the reference sections.

secondly when I export the index pattern that I recently created and wish to change the dashboards to use it doesn't have uuid either

```auto
{
  "attributes": {
    "fieldAttrs": "{\"event_source\":{\"count\":13},\"event_class\":{\"count\":4},\"assoc_ip\":{\"count\":3},\"src_ip\":{\"count\":1},\"detail\":{\"count\":3},\"event_type\":{\"count\":2},\"service\":{\"count\":1},\"status\":{\"count\":5},\"user_name\":{\"count\":124},\"user\":{\"count\":2},\"data\":{\"count\":1}}",
    "fields": "[]",
    "runtimeFieldMap": "{}",
    "timeFieldName": "@timestamp",
    "title": "sec-events*",
    "typeMeta": "{}"
  },
  "coreMigrationVersion": "7.17.2",
  "id": "security events",
  "migrationVersion": {
    "index-pattern": "7.11.0"
  },
  "references": [],
  "sort": [
    1658395891789,
    1451
  ],
  "type": "index-pattern",
  "updated_at": "2022-07-21T09:31:31.789Z",
  "version": "WzExMzAzNywxMV0="
}
{
  "excludedObjects": [],
  "excludedObjectsCount": 0,
  "exportedCount": 1,
  "missingRefCount": 0,
  "missingReferences": []
}

```

Lastly, at some point in my researching this issue I found reference to using the Kibana api to get full details of index patterns. I regularly use the ES api but have never used the kibana one. I can't figure out which user I should authenticate as. Should I set up a user for this and if so what roles should I give it.

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**Author:** ![Russell\_Fulton](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/russell_fulton/32/62888_2.png) [@Russell\_Fulton](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/Russell_Fulton)\
**Post date:** [August 13, 2022, 10:25pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/kibana-7-17-1-cant-find-index-pattern-uuids/312059/2 "2022-08-13T22:25:23Z")

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I figured out which account to use to get into kibana api (`elastic` works).

when I try to use the `GET <kibana host>:<port>/api/index_patterns/index_pattern/<id>` to retrieve an object I always get "not found". I could not find a method of retrieving all index patterns (giving an \<id\> of '\*' also retuned not found.

what is the api expecting as an `<id>`?

The patterns are all defined in the default space.

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**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/original/3X/1/a/1ac57faf039f6b580b3f104ef42a2a89e41014de.png) [@system](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/system)\
**Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 10:26pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/kibana-7-17-1-cant-find-index-pattern-uuids/312059/3 "2022-09-10T22:26:07Z")

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