# Kibana 8.2.3 "Donut chart can't render with negative values" **URL:** \ **Category:** Kibana\ **Created:** [September 15, 2022, 12:52pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/kibana-8-2-3-donut-chart-cant-render-with-negative-values/314508 "2022-09-15T12:52:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![nesretep](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/nesretep/32/24743_2.png) [@nesretep](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/nesretep)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2022, 4:08pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/kibana-8-2-3-donut-chart-cant-render-with-negative-values/314508/21 "2022-10-20T16:08:21Z")
Hi Robert Thank you for getting back to me! The problem is actually really simple. Make donuts/pies work like they always did in Kibana before 8, and still do in the rest of the world, particularly defined by excel and PowerBI. Example: ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/original/3X/5/9/5973cd070aff0e435381a6cb87f9bd1c1952329e.png) The values sum correctly, and the drawing represents the negative number by its ABS size. I think that not many people (guess: less than 1 of 10.000) give it a thought, that numbers in a pie/donut in a puritan world of 360 degrees should equal 100% of the positive sum. In reality: No one cares! The important thing is, that the sum of buckets in the pie sum to 100% of the values in buckets, regardless if negative or positive. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/original/3X/1/a/1ac57faf039f6b580b3f104ef42a2a89e41014de.png) [@system](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 1:13pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/kibana-8-2-3-donut-chart-cant-render-with-negative-values/314508/22 "2022-11-17T13:13:03Z")
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**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/original/3X/1/a/1ac57faf039f6b580b3f104ef42a2a89e41014de.png) [@system](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/system)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 9:58am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/kibana-8-2-3-donut-chart-cant-render-with-negative-values/314508/23 "2022-12-15T09:58:58Z")
Automatically bumped on December 15, 2022, 9:58am UTC ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/original/3X/1/a/1ac57faf039f6b580b3f104ef42a2a89e41014de.png) [@system](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/system)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2023, 9:59am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/kibana-8-2-3-donut-chart-cant-render-with-negative-values/314508/24 "2023-01-12T09:59:34Z")
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