# \[Kibana\] Index denied but visible and empty
**URL:** https://discuss.elastic.co/t/kibana-index-denied-but-visible-and-empty/243728
**Category:** Kibana
**Tags:** elastic-stack-security
**Created:** [August 4, 2020, 2:33pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/kibana-index-denied-but-visible-and-empty/243728 "2020-08-04T14:33:09Z")
**Posts on this page:** 3
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### Author:  [@Downer](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/Downer)
#### Post date: [August 4, 2020, 2:33pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/kibana-index-denied-but-visible-and-empty/243728/1 "2020-08-04T14:33:09Z")
Hey guys !
I'm learning about kibana security feature and I've seen it's possible to allow only one index.
But other still visible but empty so it's ok but not perfect. Can I do better ? Can I remove index than the role doesn't have access ?
Downer
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### Author:  [@mikecote](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/mikecote)
#### Post date: [August 19, 2020, 1:30pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/kibana-index-denied-but-visible-and-empty/243728/2 "2020-08-19T13:30:43Z")
Hi @Downer,
From what I understand, the index access is properly denied but the user can still see the index pattern associated with that index?
That sounds about right as there isn't any further way to restrict this unless you create another space and move the denied index pattern there to properly separate the user from the other indices.
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### Author:  [@system](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/system)
#### Post date: [September 16, 2020, 1:30pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/kibana-index-denied-but-visible-and-empty/243728/3 "2020-09-16T13:30:51Z")
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