# Kibana Index Patterns without Index

**URL:** <https://discuss.elastic.co/t/kibana-index-patterns-without-index/263681>\
**Category:** Kibana\
**Created:** [February 9, 2021, 7:04am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/kibana-index-patterns-without-index/263681 "2021-02-09T07:04:06Z")\
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**Author:** ![smm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@smm](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/smm)\
**Post date:** [February 9, 2021, 7:04am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/kibana-index-patterns-without-index/263681/1 "2021-02-09T07:04:06Z")

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It just hit my attention: I have Kibana index patterns with no index.  
Do you agree on this, that in case you once had a index and defined a pattern, but after that the data stream ends and curator over time deletes one be one the indices, then just the empty Kibana pattern remains in place.  
What I also noticed: in some casese using the discover functionality with these empty Kibana index patterns the time pickup widget is not there anymore. In other cases the time / data widget is still there. Strange.  
Any tip on a good houseking rule for KIbana index patterns?  
Thanks for any comment or hint in this matter!  
cheers  
Stefano

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**Author:** ![flash1293](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/flash1293/32/41227_2.png) [@flash1293](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/flash1293)\
**Post date:** [February 9, 2021, 9:04am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/kibana-index-patterns-without-index/263681/2 "2021-02-09T09:04:08Z")

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There is no automation for syncing the Kibana index patterns with curator/ILM index lifecycles, it's an interesting use case. I guess you could build something yourself using [Delete object API | Kibana Guide [master] | Elastic](https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/kibana/master/saved-objects-api-delete.html)

However I think this is worth leaving a feature request in the Github repository: [https://github.com/elastic/kibana/issues/new?assignees=&labels=&template=Feature\_request.md](https://github.com/elastic/kibana/issues/new?assignees=&labels=&template=Feature_request.md)

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**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/original/3X/1/a/1ac57faf039f6b580b3f104ef42a2a89e41014de.png) [@system](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/system)\
**Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 9:04am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/kibana-index-patterns-without-index/263681/3 "2021-03-09T09:04:15Z")

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