# Kibana Task Manager (KTM) not reporting accurate observed Kibana instances values

**URL:** <https://discuss.elastic.co/t/kibana-task-manager-ktm-not-reporting-accurate-observed-kibana-instances-values/339624>\
**Category:** Kibana\
**Tags:** elastic-stack-monitoring\
**Created:** [July 30, 2023, 4:48pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/kibana-task-manager-ktm-not-reporting-accurate-observed-kibana-instances-values/339624 "2023-07-30T16:48:50Z")\
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**Author:** ![JGreene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c68b51/32.png) [@JGreene](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/JGreene)\
**Post date:** [July 30, 2023, 4:48pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/kibana-task-manager-ktm-not-reporting-accurate-observed-kibana-instances-values/339624/1 "2023-07-30T16:48:50Z")

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Hello,

Looking for guidance on troubleshooting Kibana Task Manager reporting  
`"observed":{"observed_kibana_instances":1` when there are 12 instances in total. Other clusters (7.16.X) report their total Kibana instances accurately, but the 4 clusters upgraded to 8.9.0 no longer report accurate observed Kibana instances values.

We have a KTM dashboard and alerts where we rely on this data for scaling.

All of the Kibana instances are green on their status page and Rules/Alerts seem to be processing fine. The only other observation is that when on 7.16, out time to drain fluctuated between 1 & 2, currently all of the

The Kibana logs do not report anything related to an error with comms or anything else. Cluster/Kibana seems to be fine in all respects.

```auto
{
    "status": "OK",
    "timestamp": "2023-07-30T16:11:11.942Z",
    "value": {
        "observed": {
            "observed_kibana_instances": 1, <<< Actual number is 12
            "max_throughput_per_minute_per_kibana": 2000,
            "max_throughput_per_minute": 2000,
            "minutes_to_drain_overdue": 6,
            "avg_recurring_required_throughput_per_minute": 182,
            "avg_recurring_required_throughput_per_minute_per_kibana": 182,
            "avg_required_throughput_per_minute": 182,
            "avg_required_throughput_per_minute_per_kibana": 182
        },
        "proposed": {
            "provisioned_kibana": 1,
            "min_required_kibana": 1,
            "avg_recurring_required_throughput_per_minute_per_kibana": 182,
            "avg_required_throughput_per_minute_per_kibana": 182
        }
    }
}

```

 ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/original/3X/2/d/2dbc02f4b0a884ebfa08424bc52885837f29e98d.png)

Any guidance would be much appreciated.

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**Post date:** [August 27, 2023, 4:49pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/kibana-task-manager-ktm-not-reporting-accurate-observed-kibana-instances-values/339624/2 "2023-08-27T16:49:00Z")

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