# Logstash vs rivers for reading data from SQL Server

**URL:** <https://discuss.elastic.co/t/logstash-vs-rivers-for-reading-data-from-sql-server/15146>\
**Category:** Elasticsearch\
**Created:** [January 8, 2014, 4:26pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/logstash-vs-rivers-for-reading-data-from-sql-server/15146 "2014-01-08T16:26:58Z")\
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Hi,  
I am looking at implementing ES to index & query data that I get from my  
SQL Server databases/tables. I was initially using river to read data from  
Sql server tables but one of the developers in my team recommended looking  
at using logstash. Can anyone comment to any benefits of using one over  
another? I have not been able to find any documentation regarding reading  
data from SQL server using logstash [http://logstash.net/docs/1.3.2/](http://logstash.net/docs/1.3.2/). Can  
someone point me to a guide on how to get started with logstash & sql  
server.  
Thanks  
J

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**Post date:** [January 9, 2014, 8:23am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/logstash-vs-rivers-for-reading-data-from-sql-server/15146/2 "2014-01-09T08:23:36Z")

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Hey,

maybe you should ask your developers, why they recommended logstash for  
this, I cant follow here (perhaps there is some export functionality in  
your SQL server, which an input of logstash can use?). Would be interested  
in reasons in this case.

--Alex

On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 5:26 PM, jsp [jayasunderam@gmail.com](mailto:jayasunderam@gmail.com) wrote:

> Hi,  
> I am looking at implementing ES to index & query data that I get from my  
> SQL Server databases/tables. I was initially using river to read data from  
> Sql server tables but one of the developers in my team recommended looking  
> at using logstash. Can anyone comment to any benefits of using one over  
> another? I have not been able to find any documentation regarding reading  
> data from SQL server using logstash [http://logstash.net/docs/1.3.2/](http://logstash.net/docs/1.3.2/).  
> Can someone point me to a guide on how to get started with logstash & sql  
> server.  
> Thanks  
> J
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**Post date:** [January 9, 2014, 9:07pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/logstash-vs-rivers-for-reading-data-from-sql-server/15146/3 "2014-01-09T21:07:18Z")

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Currently logstash provides an api to get data through sqlite. And have  
been looking at how it is being used for sqlite and will try to replicate  
that for Sql Server.  
Will post code if I get it working.  
Thanks  
--J

On Thursday, 9 January 2014 00:23:36 UTC-8, Alexander Reelsen wrote:

> Hey,
> 
> maybe you should ask your developers, why they recommended logstash for  
> this, I cant follow here (perhaps there is some export functionality in  
> your SQL server, which an input of logstash can use?). Would be interested  
> in reasons in this case.
> 
> --Alex
> 
> On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 5:26 PM, jsp \<[jayasu...@gmail.com](mailto:jayasu...@gmail.com) \<javascript:\>\>wrote:
> 
> > Hi,  
> > I am looking at implementing ES to index & query data that I get from my  
> > SQL Server databases/tables. I was initially using river to read data from  
> > Sql server tables but one of the developers in my team recommended looking  
> > at using logstash. Can anyone comment to any benefits of using one over  
> > another? I have not been able to find any documentation regarding reading  
> > data from SQL server using logstash [http://logstash.net/docs/1.3.2/](http://logstash.net/docs/1.3.2/).  
> > Can someone point me to a guide on how to get started with logstash & sql  
> > server.  
> > Thanks  
> > J
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**Post date:** [January 10, 2014, 9:55pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/logstash-vs-rivers-for-reading-data-from-sql-server/15146/4 "2014-01-10T21:55:29Z")

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Consider the fact that rivers could be deprecated in future versions of  
elasticsearch:

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On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 4:26:58 PM UTC, jsp wrote:

> Hi,  
> I am looking at implementing ES to index & query data that I get from my  
> SQL Server databases/tables. I was initially using river to read data from  
> Sql server tables but one of the developers in my team recommended looking  
> at using logstash. Can anyone comment to any benefits of using one over  
> another? I have not been able to find any documentation regarding reading  
> data from SQL server using logstash [http://logstash.net/docs/1.3.2/](http://logstash.net/docs/1.3.2/).  
> Can someone point me to a guide on how to get started with logstash & sql  
> server.  
> Thanks  
> J

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Thanks for the link and heads-up, Karol.

Brian

On Friday, January 10, 2014 4:55:29 PM UTC-5, Karol Gwaj wrote:

> Consider the fact that rivers could be deprecated in future versions of  
> elasticsearch:
> 
> [Sign Up | LinkedIn](http://www.linkedin.com/groups/Official-guide-writing-ElasticSearch-rivers-3393294.S.268274223)

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**Post date:** [January 11, 2014, 3:12am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/logstash-vs-rivers-for-reading-data-from-sql-server/15146/6 "2014-01-11T03:12:53Z")

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Thanks Karl,  
Do you have any recommendation for alternatives to using rivers. i want to  
read data from sql db/tables.  
thanks  
jay

On Friday, 10 January 2014 13:55:29 UTC-8, Karol Gwaj wrote:

> Consider the fact that rivers could be deprecated in future versions of  
> elasticsearch:
> 
> [Sign Up | LinkedIn](http://www.linkedin.com/groups/Official-guide-writing-ElasticSearch-rivers-3393294.S.268274223)
> 
> On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 4:26:58 PM UTC, jsp wrote:
> 
> > Hi,  
> > I am looking at implementing ES to index & query data that I get from my  
> > SQL Server databases/tables. I was initially using river to read data from  
> > Sql server tables but one of the developers in my team recommended looking  
> > at using logstash. Can anyone comment to any benefits of using one over  
> > another? I have not been able to find any documentation regarding reading  
> > data from SQL server using logstash [http://logstash.net/docs/1.3.2/](http://logstash.net/docs/1.3.2/).  
> > Can someone point me to a guide on how to get started with logstash & sql  
> > server.  
> > Thanks  
> > J

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IMHO, some options:

- ETL tool like Talend
- a batch process you need to write
- modify application which create those data and push to Elasticsearch from it

I prefer the latter as your search engine will be well synchronized with your database.  
Also, it will be a gain, database performance wise, as you don't need to read again your DB to inject into ES.

My 2 cents

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Le 11 janv. 2014 à 04:12, jsp [jayasunderam@gmail.com](mailto:jayasunderam@gmail.com) a écrit :

Thanks Karl,  
Do you have any recommendation for alternatives to using rivers. i want to read data from sql db/tables.  
thanks  
jay

> On Friday, 10 January 2014 13:55:29 UTC-8, Karol Gwaj wrote:  
> Consider the fact that rivers could be deprecated in future versions of elasticsearch:  
> [Sign Up | LinkedIn](http://www.linkedin.com/groups/Official-guide-writing-ElasticSearch-rivers-3393294.S.268274223)
> 
> > On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 4:26:58 PM UTC, jsp wrote:  
> > Hi,  
> > I am looking at implementing ES to index & query data that I get from my SQL Server databases/tables. I was initially using river to read data from Sql server tables but one of the developers in my team recommended looking at using logstash. Can anyone comment to any benefits of using one over another? I have not been able to find any documentation regarding reading data from SQL server using logstash. Can someone point me to a guide on how to get started with logstash & sql server.  
> > Thanks  
> > J

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i agree with David suggestions,

here is link to topic that is also touching river deprecation (with  
suggested replacement(s)):  
[https://groups.google.com/d/msg/elasticsearch/-nZQheK0J-g/1xhVm9Y5\_dgJ](https://groups.google.com/d/msg/elasticsearch/-nZQheK0J-g/1xhVm9Y5_dgJ)

BTW, if you really feel like river is the best solution for you, then you  
should go for it  
even if elasticsearch team will deprecate rivers from the core  
implementation, there will be some community contributed solution to  
replace it  
i think the amount of elasticsearch applications using rivers is too big to  
get rid of them completely

On Saturday, January 11, 2014 3:12:53 AM UTC, jsp wrote:

> Thanks Karl,  
> Do you have any recommendation for alternatives to using rivers. i want  
> to read data from sql db/tables.  
> thanks  
> jay
> 
> On Friday, 10 January 2014 13:55:29 UTC-8, Karol Gwaj wrote:
> 
> > Consider the fact that rivers could be deprecated in future versions of  
> > elasticsearch:
> > 
> > [Sign Up | LinkedIn](http://www.linkedin.com/groups/Official-guide-writing-ElasticSearch-rivers-3393294.S.268274223)
> > 
> > On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 4:26:58 PM UTC, jsp wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi,  
> > > I am looking at implementing ES to index & query data that I get from my  
> > > SQL Server databases/tables. I was initially using river to read data from  
> > > Sql server tables but one of the developers in my team recommended looking  
> > > at using logstash. Can anyone comment to any benefits of using one over  
> > > another? I have not been able to find any documentation regarding reading  
> > > data from SQL server using logstash [http://logstash.net/docs/1.3.2/](http://logstash.net/docs/1.3.2/).  
> > > Can someone point me to a guide on how to get started with logstash & sql  
> > > server.  
> > > Thanks  
> > > J

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**Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 9:26pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/logstash-vs-rivers-for-reading-data-from-sql-server/15146/9 "2014-01-12T21:26:14Z")

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I just started a gathering framework plugin for fetching and indexing data  
to Elasticsearch, with scalable components. It's not complete yet of  
course. Next, I intend to create an alternative to the JDBC river, and if  
that works out well, for other kinds of rivers too 🙂

> **[jprante/elasticsearch-gatherer](https://github.com/jprante/elasticsearch-gatherer)**
>
> elasticsearch-gatherer - Gatherers are scalable components for fetching and indexing data into Elasticsearch. They are designed as replacement for rivers.

Jörg

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**Post date:** [February 1, 2014, 5:21am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/logstash-vs-rivers-for-reading-data-from-sql-server/15146/10 "2014-02-01T05:21:26Z")

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This is a little late but.

I agree with the third option, if you can. But you should publish to a  
queue and then that goes to ES. That way you can use a 2 phase commit to  
the DB and to the queue.

Even with option 1 and 2 ... use a queue. Talend has built in stuff to do  
this because it is more than just ETL (it is an ESB where ETL is just a  
use case)

On Saturday, January 11, 2014 1:47:40 AM UTC-5, David Pilato wrote:

> IMHO, some options:
> 
> - ETL tool like Talend
> - a batch process you need to write
> - modify application which create those data and push to Elasticsearch  
> from it
> 
> I prefer the latter as your search engine will be well synchronized with  
> your database.  
> Also, it will be a gain, database performance wise, as you don't need to  
> read again your DB to inject into ES.
> 
> My 2 cents
> 
> --  
> David 😉  
> Twitter : @dadoonet / @elasticsearchfr / @scrutmydocs
> 
> Le 11 janv. 2014 à 04:12, jsp \<[jayasu...@gmail.com](mailto:jayasu...@gmail.com) \<javascript:\>\> a  
> écrit :
> 
> Thanks Karl,  
> Do you have any recommendation for alternatives to using rivers. i want  
> to read data from sql db/tables.  
> thanks  
> jay
> 
> On Friday, 10 January 2014 13:55:29 UTC-8, Karol Gwaj wrote:
> 
> > Consider the fact that rivers could be deprecated in future versions of  
> > elasticsearch:
> > 
> > [Sign Up | LinkedIn](http://www.linkedin.com/groups/Official-guide-writing-ElasticSearch-rivers-3393294.S.268274223)
> > 
> > On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 4:26:58 PM UTC, jsp wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi,  
> > > I am looking at implementing ES to index & query data that I get from my  
> > > SQL Server databases/tables. I was initially using river to read data from  
> > > Sql server tables but one of the developers in my team recommended looking  
> > > at using logstash. Can anyone comment to any benefits of using one over  
> > > another? I have not been able to find any documentation regarding reading  
> > > data from SQL server using logstash [http://logstash.net/docs/1.3.2/](http://logstash.net/docs/1.3.2/).  
> > > Can someone point me to a guide on how to get started with logstash & sql  
> > > server.  
> > > Thanks  
> > > J
> > 
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**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/original/3X/1/a/1ac57faf039f6b580b3f104ef42a2a89e41014de.png) [@system](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/system)\
**Post date:** [July 6, 2017, 1:53am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/logstash-vs-rivers-for-reading-data-from-sql-server/15146/11 "2017-07-06T01:53:29Z")

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