# Manage Users are Roles in Kibana w.r.t Spaces

**URL:** <https://discuss.elastic.co/t/manage-users-are-roles-in-kibana-w-r-t-spaces/196781>\
**Category:** Kibana\
**Tags:** elastic-stack-security\
**Created:** [August 26, 2019, 1:36pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/manage-users-are-roles-in-kibana-w-r-t-spaces/196781 "2019-08-26T13:36:10Z")\
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**Author:** ![vaibhav.rodage](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/96bed5/32.png) [@vaibhav.rodage](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/vaibhav.rodage)\
**Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 1:36pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/manage-users-are-roles-in-kibana-w-r-t-spaces/196781/1 "2019-08-26T13:36:10Z")

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1. Can we create an admin user which will just manage users and roles for that specific space only.  
E.g. SPACE\_X  
Role created SPACE\_X\_ADMIN\_ROLE  
User ABC Created with role SPACE\_X\_ADMIN\_ROLE.  
He will able to manage users and roles created for this space.

2. Can we create an user which will just create or update users but not create or update roles?

Kibana Version: 7.2.0

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**Author:** ![markov00](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/markov00/32/33316_2.png) [@markov00](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/markov00)\
**Post date:** [August 26, 2019, 3:45pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/manage-users-are-roles-in-kibana-w-r-t-spaces/196781/2 "2019-08-26T15:45:32Z")

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Hi @vaibhav.rodage,  
unfortunately it's not possible at the moment.

Spaces is just a Kibana concept at this point in time, and Users/Roles are "stack-wide" .

I believe there's been some discussion about implementing some other concept which allows users to manage a "subset" or users/roles, but right now it's all or nothing [https://github.com/elastic/elasticsearch/issues/29932](https://github.com/elastic/elasticsearch/issues/29932)

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**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/original/3X/1/a/1ac57faf039f6b580b3f104ef42a2a89e41014de.png) [@system](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/system)\
**Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 3:45pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/manage-users-are-roles-in-kibana-w-r-t-spaces/196781/3 "2019-09-23T15:45:34Z")

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