# Memory Usage

**URL:** <https://discuss.elastic.co/t/memory-usage/15491>\
**Category:** Elasticsearch\
**Created:** [January 30, 2014, 7:43am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/memory-usage/15491 "2014-01-30T07:43:28Z")\
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**Post date:** [January 30, 2014, 7:43am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/memory-usage/15491/1 "2014-01-30T07:43:28Z")

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Hi Guys,

I have the following situation. I have 3 nodes cluster, each node has 32 GB  
DDR3 RAM and 2 Octocore Processors (16 cores), with HT. Allocated 50% of  
the RAM to Elasticsearch. We have only 1 index with 32 shards and 1 replica  
each, making it 64 shards in the cluster. We have a lot of mappings in the  
index (more than 3000 ~ no. of users).

We have a lot of updates queries. In fact, we have only update queries with  
upserts. We are using routing to put similar data in the same shard. We see  
the rate of update queries ranging between 20/sec to 60/sec. This is going  
to increase to about 130-140/sec when we go live. Our queries are mostly  
filtered queries with a lot of use of term faceting (now we are using the  
Aggregations module).

We are using doc\_values as much as possible to reduce bringing of field  
data in the field data cache.

For the last 2 weeks, I have been noticing that the memory usage would  
never drop. Every node in the cluster is using about 90% of the memory all  
the time. This triggers the GC a lot (sometimes more than 5 times in a  
minute). We are using G1GC instead of the default CMS.

I then decided to stop querying and indexing both. The memory usage still  
does not drop and there are still a lot of GCs in a given minute. The  
effect of this is visible in the queue we are using to update documents. I  
can clearly relate the spikes in the queue with the GC activity i.e.  
whenever GC happens, indexing seems to become slow. This is sort of  
worrying me.

I am attaching screenshots of BigDesk of two of our nodes in the cluster (1  
master data node and 1 non-master data node).

What could be the reason? How should I debug this issue? Will be happy to  
share more details if needed.

Vaidik Kapoor  
vaidikkapoor.info

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**Post date:** [January 30, 2014, 9:14am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/memory-usage/15491/2 "2014-01-30T09:14:03Z")

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Facets use a fair bit of memory and in general ES will cache a much as it  
can to speed up query times.

Your graphs look pretty reasonable to me, lots of little GC's rather than  
big ones rarely is what you want.  
What are you expecting?

Regards,  
Mark Walkom

Infrastructure Engineer  
Campaign Monitor  
email: [markw@campaignmonitor.com](mailto:markw@campaignmonitor.com)  
web: [www.campaignmonitor.com](http://www.campaignmonitor.com)

On 30 January 2014 18:43, Vaidik Kapoor [kapoor.vaidik@gmail.com](mailto:kapoor.vaidik@gmail.com) wrote:

> Hi Guys,
> 
> I have the following situation. I have 3 nodes cluster, each node has 32  
> GB DDR3 RAM and 2 Octocore Processors (16 cores), with HT. Allocated 50% of  
> the RAM to Elasticsearch. We have only 1 index with 32 shards and 1 replica  
> each, making it 64 shards in the cluster. We have a lot of mappings in the  
> index (more than 3000 ~ no. of users).
> 
> We have a lot of updates queries. In fact, we have only update queries  
> with upserts. We are using routing to put similar data in the same shard.  
> We see the rate of update queries ranging between 20/sec to 60/sec. This is  
> going to increase to about 130-140/sec when we go live. Our queries are  
> mostly filtered queries with a lot of use of term faceting (now we are  
> using the Aggregations module).
> 
> We are using doc\_values as much as possible to reduce bringing of field  
> data in the field data cache.
> 
> For the last 2 weeks, I have been noticing that the memory usage would  
> never drop. Every node in the cluster is using about 90% of the memory all  
> the time. This triggers the GC a lot (sometimes more than 5 times in a  
> minute). We are using G1GC instead of the default CMS.
> 
> I then decided to stop querying and indexing both. The memory usage still  
> does not drop and there are still a lot of GCs in a given minute. The  
> effect of this is visible in the queue we are using to update documents. I  
> can clearly relate the spikes in the queue with the GC activity i.e.  
> whenever GC happens, indexing seems to become slow. This is sort of  
> worrying me.
> 
> I am attaching screenshots of BigDesk of two of our nodes in the cluster  
> (1 master data node and 1 non-master data node).
> 
> What could be the reason? How should I debug this issue? Will be happy to  
> share more details if needed.
> 
> Vaidik Kapoor  
> vaidikkapoor.info
> 
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**Post date:** [January 30, 2014, 9:32am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/memory-usage/15491/3 "2014-01-30T09:32:16Z")

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Just a note: Bigdesk does not show breakdown of GC between old and new  
generation. So currently one needs to be careful when interpreting this  
chart. Better chart is coming. There are other tools that will show you the  
breakdown of GC (Sematext SPM, Marvel, HQ might as well, you can use  
visualVM ...)

Lukáš

On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Mark Walkom [markw@campaignmonitor.com](mailto:markw@campaignmonitor.com)wrote:

> Facets use a fair bit of memory and in general ES will cache a much as it  
> can to speed up query times.
> 
> Your graphs look pretty reasonable to me, lots of little GC's rather than  
> big ones rarely is what you want.  
> What are you expecting?
> 
> Regards,  
> Mark Walkom
> 
> Infrastructure Engineer  
> Campaign Monitor  
> email: [markw@campaignmonitor.com](mailto:markw@campaignmonitor.com)  
> web: [www.campaignmonitor.com](http://www.campaignmonitor.com)
> 
> On 30 January 2014 18:43, Vaidik Kapoor [kapoor.vaidik@gmail.com](mailto:kapoor.vaidik@gmail.com) wrote:
> 
> > Hi Guys,
> > 
> > I have the following situation. I have 3 nodes cluster, each node has 32  
> > GB DDR3 RAM and 2 Octocore Processors (16 cores), with HT. Allocated 50% of  
> > the RAM to Elasticsearch. We have only 1 index with 32 shards and 1 replica  
> > each, making it 64 shards in the cluster. We have a lot of mappings in the  
> > index (more than 3000 ~ no. of users).
> > 
> > We have a lot of updates queries. In fact, we have only update queries  
> > with upserts. We are using routing to put similar data in the same shard.  
> > We see the rate of update queries ranging between 20/sec to 60/sec. This is  
> > going to increase to about 130-140/sec when we go live. Our queries are  
> > mostly filtered queries with a lot of use of term faceting (now we are  
> > using the Aggregations module).
> > 
> > We are using doc\_values as much as possible to reduce bringing of field  
> > data in the field data cache.
> > 
> > For the last 2 weeks, I have been noticing that the memory usage would  
> > never drop. Every node in the cluster is using about 90% of the memory all  
> > the time. This triggers the GC a lot (sometimes more than 5 times in a  
> > minute). We are using G1GC instead of the default CMS.
> > 
> > I then decided to stop querying and indexing both. The memory usage still  
> > does not drop and there are still a lot of GCs in a given minute. The  
> > effect of this is visible in the queue we are using to update documents. I  
> > can clearly relate the spikes in the queue with the GC activity i.e.  
> > whenever GC happens, indexing seems to become slow. This is sort of  
> > worrying me.
> > 
> > I am attaching screenshots of BigDesk of two of our nodes in the cluster  
> > (1 master data node and 1 non-master data node).
> > 
> > What could be the reason? How should I debug this issue? Will be happy to  
> > share more details if needed.
> > 
> > Vaidik Kapoor  
> > vaidikkapoor.info
> > 
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**Post date:** [January 30, 2014, 11:51am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/memory-usage/15491/4 "2014-01-30T11:51:21Z")

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On 30 January 2014 14:44, Mark Walkom [markw@campaignmonitor.com](mailto:markw@campaignmonitor.com) wrote:

> Facets use a fair bit of memory and in general ES will cache a much as it  
> can to speed up query times.

I have no issues with ES using memory for cache. But I don't see the memory  
consumption drop at all even when I am doing nothing.

> Your graphs look pretty reasonable to me, lots of little GC's rather than  
> big ones rarely is what you want.  
> What are you expecting?

Agreed. That was the reason for me to switch to G1GC. But the garbage  
collection cycle does not seem to free up much memory, even when I am not  
performing any operations on the ES cluster. My main problem is that I am  
writing/updating about 30-40 docs per second (mostly scripted updates) and  
very often I see spikes in my queue that I am used to writing. I was sort  
of able to relate these spikes with GC, although there is no concrete  
evidence.

I know that Elasticsearch is capable of a lot more and that's why it  
concerns me. I don't think that the load I have is too much for  
Elasticsearch to take. And that's why I need to understand what could be  
the possible reason for periodic slow indexing/updates.

> Regards,  
> Mark Walkom
> 
> Infrastructure Engineer  
> Campaign Monitor  
> email: [markw@campaignmonitor.com](mailto:markw@campaignmonitor.com)  
> web: [www.campaignmonitor.com](http://www.campaignmonitor.com)
> 
> On 30 January 2014 18:43, Vaidik Kapoor [kapoor.vaidik@gmail.com](mailto:kapoor.vaidik@gmail.com) wrote:
> 
> > Hi Guys,
> > 
> > I have the following situation. I have 3 nodes cluster, each node has 32  
> > GB DDR3 RAM and 2 Octocore Processors (16 cores), with HT. Allocated 50% of  
> > the RAM to Elasticsearch. We have only 1 index with 32 shards and 1 replica  
> > each, making it 64 shards in the cluster. We have a lot of mappings in the  
> > index (more than 3000 ~ no. of users).
> > 
> > We have a lot of updates queries. In fact, we have only update queries  
> > with upserts. We are using routing to put similar data in the same shard.  
> > We see the rate of update queries ranging between 20/sec to 60/sec. This is  
> > going to increase to about 130-140/sec when we go live. Our queries are  
> > mostly filtered queries with a lot of use of term faceting (now we are  
> > using the Aggregations module).
> > 
> > We are using doc\_values as much as possible to reduce bringing of field  
> > data in the field data cache.
> > 
> > For the last 2 weeks, I have been noticing that the memory usage would  
> > never drop. Every node in the cluster is using about 90% of the memory all  
> > the time. This triggers the GC a lot (sometimes more than 5 times in a  
> > minute). We are using G1GC instead of the default CMS.
> > 
> > I then decided to stop querying and indexing both. The memory usage still  
> > does not drop and there are still a lot of GCs in a given minute. The  
> > effect of this is visible in the queue we are using to update documents. I  
> > can clearly relate the spikes in the queue with the GC activity i.e.  
> > whenever GC happens, indexing seems to become slow. This is sort of  
> > worrying me.
> > 
> > I am attaching screenshots of BigDesk of two of our nodes in the cluster  
> > (1 master data node and 1 non-master data node).
> > 
> > What could be the reason? How should I debug this issue? Will be happy to  
> > share more details if needed.
> > 
> > Vaidik Kapoor  
> > vaidikkapoor.info
> > 
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> Just a note: Bigdesk does not show breakdown of GC between old and new  
> generation. So currently one needs to be careful when interpreting this  
> chart. Better chart is coming. There are other tools that will show you the  
> breakdown of GC (Sematext SPM, Marvel, HQ might as well, you can use  
> visualVM ...)

Thanks for that Lukas. Awaiting the next version. 🙂

> Lukáš
> 
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Mark Walkom [markw@campaignmonitor.com](mailto:markw@campaignmonitor.com)wrote:
> 
> > Facets use a fair bit of memory and in general ES will cache a much as it  
> > can to speed up query times.
> > 
> > Your graphs look pretty reasonable to me, lots of little GC's rather than  
> > big ones rarely is what you want.  
> > What are you expecting?
> > 
> > Regards,  
> > Mark Walkom
> > 
> > Infrastructure Engineer  
> > Campaign Monitor  
> > email: [markw@campaignmonitor.com](mailto:markw@campaignmonitor.com)  
> > web: [www.campaignmonitor.com](http://www.campaignmonitor.com)
> > 
> > On 30 January 2014 18:43, Vaidik Kapoor [kapoor.vaidik@gmail.com](mailto:kapoor.vaidik@gmail.com) wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi Guys,
> > > 
> > > I have the following situation. I have 3 nodes cluster, each node has 32  
> > > GB DDR3 RAM and 2 Octocore Processors (16 cores), with HT. Allocated 50% of  
> > > the RAM to Elasticsearch. We have only 1 index with 32 shards and 1 replica  
> > > each, making it 64 shards in the cluster. We have a lot of mappings in the  
> > > index (more than 3000 ~ no. of users).
> > > 
> > > We have a lot of updates queries. In fact, we have only update queries  
> > > with upserts. We are using routing to put similar data in the same shard.  
> > > We see the rate of update queries ranging between 20/sec to 60/sec. This is  
> > > going to increase to about 130-140/sec when we go live. Our queries are  
> > > mostly filtered queries with a lot of use of term faceting (now we are  
> > > using the Aggregations module).
> > > 
> > > We are using doc\_values as much as possible to reduce bringing of field  
> > > data in the field data cache.
> > > 
> > > For the last 2 weeks, I have been noticing that the memory usage would  
> > > never drop. Every node in the cluster is using about 90% of the memory all  
> > > the time. This triggers the GC a lot (sometimes more than 5 times in a  
> > > minute). We are using G1GC instead of the default CMS.
> > > 
> > > I then decided to stop querying and indexing both. The memory usage  
> > > still does not drop and there are still a lot of GCs in a given minute. The  
> > > effect of this is visible in the queue we are using to update documents. I  
> > > can clearly relate the spikes in the queue with the GC activity i.e.  
> > > whenever GC happens, indexing seems to become slow. This is sort of  
> > > worrying me.
> > > 
> > > I am attaching screenshots of BigDesk of two of our nodes in the cluster  
> > > (1 master data node and 1 non-master data node).
> > > 
> > > What could be the reason? How should I debug this issue? Will be happy  
> > > to share more details if needed.
> > > 
> > > Vaidik Kapoor  
> > > vaidikkapoor.info
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**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/original/3X/1/a/1ac57faf039f6b580b3f104ef42a2a89e41014de.png) [@system](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/system)\
**Post date:** [July 6, 2017, 1:53am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/memory-usage/15491/6 "2017-07-06T01:53:58Z")

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