# Migrating created users from ELK cluster to another

**URL:** <https://discuss.elastic.co/t/migrating-created-users-from-elk-cluster-to-another/194228>\
**Category:** Kibana\
**Created:** [August 7, 2019, 11:42am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/migrating-created-users-from-elk-cluster-to-another/194228 "2019-08-07T11:42:52Z")\
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**Post date:** [August 8, 2019, 1:33pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/migrating-created-users-from-elk-cluster-to-another/194228/2 "2019-08-08T13:33:13Z")

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Hi @ruthvicsd,

thanks for your question.  
If you create a user in Kibana, they are created as an Elasticsearch user. How these are persisted depends on your Elasticsearch settings, the default is the [`native` realm](https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/elasticsearch/reference/current/configuring-native-realm.html).

There is no built-in way to transfer the users, the easiest way is to use the APIs [https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/x-pack/current/security-api-users.html](https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/x-pack/current/security-api-users.html)  
[https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/x-pack/current/security-api-roles.html](https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/x-pack/current/security-api-roles.html) as explained in these slightly outdated answer [Export/Import users/roles from Native User Authentication?](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/export-import-users-roles-from-native-user-authentication/91218)

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