# Privileges are missing and can't be removed, currently **URL:** \ **Category:** Kibana\ **Created:** [November 14, 2018, 10:54pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/privileges-are-missing-and-cant-be-removed-currently/156758 "2018-11-14T22:54:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![alexus](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/alexus/32/12696_2.png) [@alexus](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/alexus)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2018, 10:54pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/privileges-are-missing-and-cant-be-removed-currently/156758/1 "2018-11-14T22:54:23Z")
I started new instance of Kibana, yet when I tried to access it, I've got following message: > plugin:security@6.4.2 - Privileges are missing and can't be removed, currently. Please advise. ---
**Author:** ![alexus](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/alexus/32/12696_2.png) [@alexus](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/alexus)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2018, 4:33am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/privileges-are-missing-and-cant-be-removed-currently/156758/3 "2018-11-15T04:33:40Z")
switching completely (all nodes) to 6.5.0 addressed the issue, although another issue appeared: > [@FATAL Error: Optimizations failure](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/fatal-error-optimizations-failure/156777): > > I tried to start Kibana 6.5.0, yet got following error: kibana-mr-custom | {"type":"log","@timestamp":"2018-11-15T03:27:35Z","tags":["info","optimize"],"pid":1,"message":"Optimizing and caching bundles for stateSessionStorageRedirect, status\_page, timelion, monitoring, space\_selector, login, logout, dashboardViewer, canvas, infra and kibana. This may take a few minutes"} kibana-mr-custom | {"type":"error","@timestamp":"2018-11-15T03:34:27Z","tags":["fatal","root"],"pid":1,"level":"fatal","error… ---
**Author:** ![rashmi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/rashmi/32/16391_2.png) [@rashmi](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/rashmi)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2018, 7:38pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/privileges-are-missing-and-cant-be-removed-currently/156758/4 "2018-11-16T19:38:09Z")
can u explain more in detail the steps you took with screenshots, logs from Kibana and ES both. which OS ? is security on ? Thanks Rashmi ---
**Author:** ![alexus](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/alexus/32/12696_2.png) [@alexus](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/alexus)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2018, 9:01pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/privileges-are-missing-and-cant-be-removed-currently/156758/5 "2018-11-16T21:01:29Z")
I was trying to upgrade from 6.4.2 to to 6.5.0 when I got that error. I now complete rolling upgrade to 6.5.0 and not getting error anymore, so I can't provide you any logs or screenshot, sorry. OS: Debian (however I use Docker) Security: On ---
**Author:** ![rashmi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/rashmi/32/16391_2.png) [@rashmi](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/rashmi)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2018, 9:16pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/privileges-are-missing-and-cant-be-removed-currently/156758/6 "2018-11-16T21:16:53Z")
There is a breaking change after an upgrade to 6.5, have you checked the release notes? ([https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/kibana/current/release-notes-6.5.0.html#known-issues-6.5.0](https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/kibana/current/release-notes-6.5.0.html#known-issues-6.5.0)). Are you facing the same issues? Thanks Rashmi ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/original/3X/1/a/1ac57faf039f6b580b3f104ef42a2a89e41014de.png) [@system](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/system)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 9:16pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/privileges-are-missing-and-cant-be-removed-currently/156758/7 "2018-12-14T21:16:54Z")
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