# Question about index name rule used in Kibana

**URL:** <https://discuss.elastic.co/t/question-about-index-name-rule-used-in-kibana/242463>\
**Category:** Kibana\
**Created:** [July 24, 2020, 6:42am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/question-about-index-name-rule-used-in-kibana/242463 "2020-07-24T06:42:05Z")\
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**Author:** ![8wlgns](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/8wlgns/32/72733_2.png) [@8wlgns](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/8wlgns)\
**Post date:** [July 24, 2020, 6:42am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/question-about-index-name-rule-used-in-kibana/242463/1 "2020-07-24T06:42:05Z")

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Hello?

I have a question about incremental rules of the .kibana\_N,  
and .kibana\_\_\_N

In the official documentation, Saved objects are stored in an index named `.kibana_N`, where `N` is a number that increments over time as Kibana is upgraded.

> **[Upgrade migrations | Kibana Guide \[7.10\] | Elastic](https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/kibana/current/upgrade-migrations.html#upgrade-migrations-process)**

The kibana that I currently use is not upgraded. (I understand 'upgrade' mean is the version update right?)  
but I can see .Kibana\__1, .kibana_\_2 index.

I am curious about how and when N increases.

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**Author:** ![Christian\_Dahlqvist](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/christian_dahlqvist/32/4617_2.png) [@Christian\_Dahlqvist](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/Christian_Dahlqvist)\
**Post date:** [July 24, 2020, 10:21am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/question-about-index-name-rule-used-in-kibana/242463/2 "2020-07-24T10:21:34Z")

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Some of the index patterns you described indicate that you are probably running some third party plugin, likely OpenDistto or SearchGuard. I would not rule out that this affects when and how the Kibana indices are upgraded.

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**Author:** ![8wlgns](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/8wlgns/32/72733_2.png) [@8wlgns](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/8wlgns)\
**Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 3:47am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/question-about-index-name-rule-used-in-kibana/242463/3 "2020-07-27T03:47:37Z")

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Thanks for your reply! 🙂

Yes. currently I used openDistro Elasticsearch so maybe it affects Kibana indices.

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**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/original/3X/1/a/1ac57faf039f6b580b3f104ef42a2a89e41014de.png) [@system](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/system)\
**Post date:** [August 24, 2020, 3:54am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/question-about-index-name-rule-used-in-kibana/242463/4 "2020-08-24T03:54:57Z")

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