# Questions about default sorting！！！ **URL:** \ **Category:** Elasticsearch\ **Created:** [July 8, 2020, 2:02pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/questions-about-default-sorting/240362 "2020-07-08T14:02:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![111365](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/111365/32/71818_2.png) [@111365](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/111365)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 2:02pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/questions-about-default-sorting/240362/1 "2020-07-08T14:02:06Z")
When I use elasticsearch's search function, matchall always returns documents in a fixed order, without relevance ranking. So what is the sort order without using sort? ---
**Author:** ![111365](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/111365/32/71818_2.png) [@111365](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/111365)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 2:04pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/questions-about-default-sorting/240362/2 "2020-07-08T14:04:51Z")
I see lucene's default document number when sorting. According to my understanding, the document number corresponds to \_doc in elasticsearch. Why do I always return -1 every time I use hit to get the docid in elasticsearch? ---
**Author:** ![111365](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/111365/32/71818_2.png) [@111365](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/111365)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2020, 1:50am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/questions-about-default-sorting/240362/4 "2020-07-09T01:50:56Z")
hope ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/original/3X/1/a/1ac57faf039f6b580b3f104ef42a2a89e41014de.png) [@system](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/system)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2020, 1:51am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/questions-about-default-sorting/240362/5 "2020-08-06T01:51:02Z")
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