# Regarding Kibana Canvas page and element id

**URL:** <https://discuss.elastic.co/t/regarding-kibana-canvas-page-and-element-id/161419>\
**Category:** Kibana\
**Tags:** canvas\
**Created:** [December 18, 2018, 9:45pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/regarding-kibana-canvas-page-and-element-id/161419 "2018-12-18T21:45:38Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 5\
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**Author:** ![rcodestuff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/839c29/32.png) [@rcodestuff](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/rcodestuff)\
**Post date:** [December 18, 2018, 9:45pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/regarding-kibana-canvas-page-and-element-id/161419/1 "2018-12-18T21:45:39Z")

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Hi,  
I am using Kibana 6.5.  
I downloaded one of my canvas workpads to a json file. I then made a copy of the file and just changed the name and id of the workpad, and uploaded it as a new workpad.

When I download the json for this new workpad i see the workpad name and id to be what I had defined in the json. When I look at the 'pages' and 'elements' objects under it they have the same id in the new workpad as in the original workpad.

**My question is** - are the pages and elements pointing to separate objects even though the id is the same? it does seem so as if I change the element in the new workpad it does not change the original workpad.

Thanks for the help.

First few lines from the workpad json for reference, which incude pages and element id. --\>  
{  
"name": "New Workpad",  
"id": "workpad-9b11c0da-e717-45c7-8521-afda0a089eef",  
"width": 1081,  
"height": 720,  
"page": 0,  
"pages": [  
{  
"id": "page-d001c0e7-bd47-451f-8672-cf1ece5866d1",  
"style": {  
"background": "#BBBBBB"  
},  
"transition": {},  
"elements": [  
{  
"id": "element-af6fd709-d52c-4b2c-87b1-8626ebec3882",  
"position": {  
....

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**Author:** ![rashmi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/rashmi/32/16391_2.png) [@rashmi](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/rashmi)\
**Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 8:12pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/regarding-kibana-canvas-page-and-element-id/161419/2 "2018-12-19T20:12:18Z")

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@Catherine_Liu / @monfera - can you please answer this when u got time. Cheers  
Rashmi

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**Author:** ![monfera](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/monfera/32/26467_2.png) [@monfera](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/monfera)\
**Post date:** [December 20, 2018, 8:39am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/regarding-kibana-canvas-page-and-element-id/161419/3 "2018-12-20T08:39:08Z")

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Correct, page and element `id`s are not currently in a global pool, they're references internal to the workbook. Moreover, element `id`s are also references within a page.

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**Author:** ![rcodestuff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/839c29/32.png) [@rcodestuff](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/rcodestuff)\
**Post date:** [December 20, 2018, 11:16am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/regarding-kibana-canvas-page-and-element-id/161419/4 "2018-12-20T11:16:48Z")

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Thank you for the explanation.

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**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/original/3X/1/a/1ac57faf039f6b580b3f104ef42a2a89e41014de.png) [@system](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/system)\
**Post date:** [January 17, 2019, 11:16am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/regarding-kibana-canvas-page-and-element-id/161419/5 "2019-01-17T11:16:49Z")

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