# Rule Scope field does not appear while editing Custom threshold rule

**URL:** <https://discuss.elastic.co/t/rule-scope-field-does-not-appear-while-editing-custom-threshold-rule/382864>\
**Category:** Elastic Observability\
**Tags:** detection-rules\
**Created:** [October 21, 2025, 8:08pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/rule-scope-field-does-not-appear-while-editing-custom-threshold-rule/382864 "2025-10-21T20:08:09Z")\
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**Author:** ![marcelpineda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/59ef9b/32.png) [@marcelpineda](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/marcelpineda)\
**Post date:** [October 21, 2025, 8:08pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/rule-scope-field-does-not-appear-while-editing-custom-threshold-rule/382864/1 "2025-10-21T20:08:09Z")

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I have an Elastic Instance running v8.18.0. When I go to Observability \> Alerts, then click ‘Manage Rules’ \> Create Rule and start creating a Custom Threshold rule, I see this option:

 ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/original/3X/1/8/1866ea190d710f236bd9f147a1db3267b26c2a18.png)

After saving the rule and editing it, the ‘Rule Scope’ option will not show up:

 ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/original/3X/d/2/d266bae02fd31a2539f4db96f5aa38e9988ac600.png)  
This seems to be a bug.  
How can I modify the rule scope definition for an existing custom threshold rule?

Thanks in advance.

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**Author:** ![Tortoise](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/tortoise/32/147587_2.png) [@Tortoise](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/Tortoise)\
**Post date:** [October 24, 2025, 5:58am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/rule-scope-field-does-not-appear-while-editing-custom-threshold-rule/382864/2 "2025-10-24T05:58:34Z")

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Hello @marcelpineda

Yes , i see below issue on github related to this with more information :

> <https://github.com/elastic/kibana/issues/180631>
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> \*\*Kibana version:\*\*
> 8.12.2
> \*\*Elasticsearch version:\*\*
> 8.12.2
> \*\*Server OS ver…sion:\*\*
> Rhel 9
> \*\*Browser version:\*\*
> Edge
> \*\*Browser OS version:\*\*
> 
> \*\*Original install method (e.g. download page, yum, from source, etc.):\*\*
> tar
> \*\*Describe the bug:\*\*
> 'role visibility' is not documented 
> \*\*Steps to reproduce:\*\*
> 1. log into kibana
> 2. click hamburger menu and alerts
> 3. click manage rules
> 4. click create rule
> 5. type a name
> 6. pick alert type
> 7. scroll down and 'alert visibility' dropdown is there. This value is neither documented in the ui, the kibana alert docs or the alert api docs.
> 
> !\[image\](https://github.com/elastic/kibana/assets/40323108/e692c4e3-ee51-463c-a0d6-967cfa46d894)
> 
> The value isn't editable through the ui once you create the alert. It looks like it goes by 'consumer' in the api which is a disconnect between ui and api. Or maybe that does something completely different.
> 
> \*\*Expected behavior:\*\*
> 
> \*\*Screenshots (if relevant):\*\*
> 
> \*\*Errors in browser console (if relevant):\*\*
> 
> \*\*Provide logs and/or server output (if relevant):\*\*
> 
> \*\*Any additional context:\*\*

Instead of updating that value maybe we can disable current alert and clone or create new with needed role visibility.

Thanks!!

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**Author:** ![marcelpineda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/59ef9b/32.png) [@marcelpineda](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/marcelpineda)\
**Post date:** [October 27, 2025, 5:26pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/rule-scope-field-does-not-appear-while-editing-custom-threshold-rule/382864/3 "2025-10-27T17:26:06Z")

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Hello,

I did re-create the Custom threshold rules I had in order to fix this, but I think it makes sense to give priority to have this actually fixed. I see the Github issue is open for more than 1 year.

Thanks for your help