# Stuck in loading Kibana...!

**URL:** <https://discuss.elastic.co/t/stuck-in-loading-kibana/247875>\
**Category:** Kibana\
**Created:** [September 8, 2020, 10:41am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/stuck-in-loading-kibana/247875 "2020-09-08T10:41:56Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 17\
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**Author:** ![Farid\_N](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/farid_n/32/74144_2.png) [@Farid\_N](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/Farid_N)\
**Post date:** [September 8, 2020, 10:41am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/stuck-in-loading-kibana/247875/1 "2020-09-08T10:41:56Z")

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Hello  
When I start the Kibana service (bin/kibana) it stuck somewhere which the last line is:

[warning][plugins][reporting] Enabling the Chromium sandbox provides an additional layer of protection.

And also I can`t access to it web(localhost:5602 --\> changed the default port)  
Other services like elasticsearch and logstash are up and work correctly...

But unfortunately, I can`t run the kibana ☹ 😟  
Can anybody help me please?!?

 ![Error 3](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/original/3X/1/7/175d6d7e89fffde6ca97d926b1c504ef47e71b6f.jpeg)

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**Author:** ![warkolm](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/warkolm/32/39224_2.png) [@warkolm](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/warkolm)\
**Post date:** [September 9, 2020, 12:08am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/stuck-in-loading-kibana/247875/2 "2020-09-09T00:08:10Z")

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Please don't post pictures of text, they are difficult to read, impossible to search and replicate (if it's code), and some people may not be even able to see them 🙂

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**Author:** ![Farid\_N](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/farid_n/32/74144_2.png) [@Farid\_N](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/Farid_N)\
**Post date:** [September 9, 2020, 5:30am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/stuck-in-loading-kibana/247875/3 "2020-09-09T05:30:02Z")

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Sure I apologize

```auto
root-7293f4185198$:/usr/share/kibana$ bin/kibana --allow-root
  log [08:37:36.374] [warning][plugins-discovery] Expect plugin "id" in camelCase, but found: beats_management
  log [08:37:36.398] [warning][plugins-discovery] Expect plugin "id" in camelCase, but found: triggers_actions_ui
[BABEL] Note: The code generator has deoptimised the styling of /usr/share/kibana/x-pack/plugins/canvas/server/templates/pitch_presentation.js as it exceeds the max of 500KB.
  log [08:39:00.238] [info][plugins-service] Plugin "visTypeXy" is disabled.
  log [08:39:00.240] [info][plugins-service] Plugin "auditTrail" is disabled.
  log [08:39:02.356] [warning][config][deprecation] Setting [elasticsearch.username] to "kibana" is deprecated. You should use the "kibana_system" user instead.
  log [08:39:02.357] [warning][config][deprecation] Config key [monitoring.cluster_alerts.email_notifications.email_address] will be required for email notifications to work in 8.0."
  log [08:39:02.357] [warning][config][deprecation] Setting [monitoring.username] to "kibana" is deprecated. You should use the "kibana_system" user instead.
  log [08:39:02.600] [info][plugins-system] Setting up [92] plugins: [taskManager,licensing,observability,globalSearch,globalSearchProviders,code,usageCollection,ossTelemetry,telemetryCollectionManager,teleme try,telemetryCollectionXpack,kibanaUsageCollection,newsfeed,mapsLegacy,kibanaLegacy,translations,timelion,share,legacyExport,esUiShared,charts,bfetch,expressions,data,home,cloud,apmOss,console,consoleExtensions ,searchprofiler,painlessLab,grokdebugger,management,upgradeAssistant,licenseManagement,watcher,indexPatternManagement,advancedSettings,fileUpload,dataEnhanced,savedObjects,visualizations,visualize,visTypeVislib ,visTypeVega,visTypeTimeseries,visTypeTimelion,features,security,snapshotRestore,reporting,enterpriseSearch,encryptedSavedObjects,ingestManager,indexManagement,rollup,remoteClusters,crossClusterReplication,inde xLifecycleManagement,beats_management,transform,ingestPipelines,maps,graph,canvas,visTypeTagcloud,visTypeTable,visTypeMarkdown,visTypeMetric,tileMap,regionMap,inputControlVis,discover,discoverEnhanced,dashboard ,lens,dashboardMode,savedObjectsManagement,spaces,lists,eventLog,actions,case,alerts,alertingBuiltins,ml,securitySolution,infra,monitoring,logstash,apm,uptime]
  log [08:39:02.936] [warning][config][plugins][security] Generating a random key for xpack.security.encryptionKey. To prevent sessions from being invalidated on restart, please set xpack.security.encryptionK ey in kibana.yml
  log [08:39:02.939] [warning][config][plugins][security] Session cookies will be transmitted over insecure connections. This is not recommended.
  log [08:39:02.999] [warning][config][plugins][reporting] Generating a random key for xpack.reporting.encryptionKey. To prevent sessions from being invalidated on restart, please set xpack.reporting.encrypti onKey in kibana.yml
  log [08:39:03.006] [warning][config][encryptedSavedObjects][plugins] Generating a random key for xpack.encryptedSavedObjects.encryptionKey. To be able to decrypt encrypted saved objects attributes after res tart, please set xpack.encryptedSavedObjects.encryptionKey in kibana.yml
  log [08:39:03.014] [warning][ingestManager][plugins] Fleet APIs are disabled due to the Encrypted Saved Objects plugin using an ephemeral encryption key. Please set xpack.encryptedSavedObjects.encryptionKey in kibana.yml.
  log [08:39:03.142] [warning][actions][actions][plugins] APIs are disabled due to the Encrypted Saved Objects plugin using an ephemeral encryption key. Please set xpack.encryptedSavedObjects.encryptionKey in kibana.yml.
  log [08:39:03.173] [warning][alerting][alerts][plugins][plugins] APIs are disabled due to the Encrypted Saved Objects plugin using an ephemeral encryption key. Please set xpack.encryptedSavedObjects.encrypt ionKey in kibana.yml.
  log [08:39:03.357] [info][monitoring][monitoring][plugins] config sourced from: production cluster
  log [08:39:03.441] [warning][config][plugins][reporting] Chromium sandbox provides an additional layer of protection, but is not supported for Linux Debian 9.13 OS. Automatically setting 'xpack.reporting.ca pture.browser.chromium.disableSandbox: true'.
  log [08:39:03.843] [info][savedobjects-service] Waiting until all Elasticsearch nodes are compatible with Kibana before starting saved objects migrations...
  log [08:39:03.844] [info][savedobjects-service] Starting saved objects migrations
  log [08:39:03.918] [info][plugins-system] Starting [92] plugins: [taskManager,licensing,observability,globalSearch,globalSearchProviders,code,usageCollection,ossTelemetry,telemetryCollectionManager,telemetr y,telemetryCollectionXpack,kibanaUsageCollection,newsfeed,mapsLegacy,kibanaLegacy,translations,timelion,share,legacyExport,esUiShared,charts,bfetch,expressions,data,home,cloud,apmOss,console,consoleExtensions,s earchprofiler,painlessLab,grokdebugger,management,upgradeAssistant,licenseManagement,watcher,indexPatternManagement,advancedSettings,fileUpload,dataEnhanced,savedObjects,visualizations,visualize,visTypeVislib,v isTypeVega,visTypeTimeseries,visTypeTimelion,features,security,snapshotRestore,reporting,enterpriseSearch,encryptedSavedObjects,ingestManager,indexManagement,rollup,remoteClusters,crossClusterReplication,indexL ifecycleManagement,beats_management,transform,ingestPipelines,maps,graph,canvas,visTypeTagcloud,visTypeTable,visTypeMarkdown,visTypeMetric,tileMap,regionMap,inputControlVis,discover,discoverEnhanced,dashboard,l ens,dashboardMode,savedObjectsManagement,spaces,lists,eventLog,actions,case,alerts,alertingBuiltins,ml,securitySolution,infra,monitoring,logstash,apm,uptime]
  log [08:39:03.921] [info][plugins][taskManager][taskManager] TaskManager is identified by the Kibana UUID: 43930198-b99d-46a0-94f1-8c454123e37c
  log [08:39:05.706] [info][plugins][watcher] Your basic license does not support watcher. Please upgrade your license.
  log [08:39:05.710] [info][crossClusterReplication][plugins] Your basic license does not support crossClusterReplication. Please upgrade your license.
  log [08:39:05.740] [info][kibana-monitoring][monitoring][monitoring][plugins] Starting monitoring stats collection
  log [08:39:06.565] [info][status][plugin:kibana@7.9.1] Status changed from uninitialized to green - Ready
  log [08:39:06.573] [info][status][plugin:elasticsearch@7.9.1] Status changed from uninitialized to yellow - Waiting for Elasticsearch
  log [08:39:06.574] [info][status][plugin:elasticsearch@7.9.1] Status changed from yellow to green - Ready
  log [08:39:06.577] [info][status][plugin:xpack_main@7.9.1] Status changed from uninitialized to green - Ready
  log [08:39:06.589] [info][status][plugin:monitoring@7.9.1] Status changed from uninitialized to green - Ready
  log [08:39:06.592] [info][status][plugin:spaces@7.9.1] Status changed from uninitialized to green - Ready
  log [08:39:06.594] [info][status][plugin:security@7.9.1] Status changed from uninitialized to green - Ready
  log [08:39:06.597] [info][status][plugin:beats_management@7.9.1] Status changed from uninitialized to green - Ready
  log [08:39:06.640] [info][status][plugin:apm_oss@7.9.1] Status changed from uninitialized to green - Ready
  log [08:39:06.647] [info][status][plugin:console_legacy@7.9.1] Status changed from uninitialized to green - Ready
  log [08:39:06.660] [info][listening] Server running at http://localhost:5602
  log [08:39:07.658] [info][server][Kibana][http] http server running at http://localhost:5602
  log [08:39:09.000] [warning][plugins][reporting] Enabling the Chromium sandbox provides an additional layer of protection.

```

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**Author:** ![warkolm](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/warkolm/32/39224_2.png) [@warkolm](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/warkolm)\
**Post date:** [September 9, 2020, 5:31am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/stuck-in-loading-kibana/247875/4 "2020-09-09T05:31:44Z")

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Thanks!

Can you post a screenshot of your browser when it's loading/loaded `localhost:5602`?

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**Author:** ![Farid\_N](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/farid_n/32/74144_2.png) [@Farid\_N](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/Farid_N)\
**Post date:** [September 9, 2020, 6:09am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/stuck-in-loading-kibana/247875/5 "2020-09-09T06:09:26Z")

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![Error 4](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/original/3X/d/1/d163fd395af3e6e63c901d9a5b9b9f5664e69bcf.jpeg)

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**Author:** ![Farid\_N](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/farid_n/32/74144_2.png) [@Farid\_N](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/Farid_N)\
**Post date:** [September 9, 2020, 6:13am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/stuck-in-loading-kibana/247875/6 "2020-09-09T06:13:11Z")

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I connected to 172.18.223.235 via mobaXterm (localhost =\> 172.18.223.235)

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**Author:** ![Mahantha\_D\_R](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/mahantha_d_r/32/70860_2.png) [@Mahantha\_D\_R](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/Mahantha_D_R)\
**Post date:** [September 9, 2020, 9:35am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/stuck-in-loading-kibana/247875/7 "2020-09-09T09:35:20Z")

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Looks like Kibana is up and running. From Logs.  
Can you ssh login to instance server and run  
_**curl [http://locahost:5602/login](http://locahost:5602/login)**_

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**Author:** ![Farid\_N](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/farid_n/32/74144_2.png) [@Farid\_N](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/Farid_N)\
**Post date:** [September 9, 2020, 10:43am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/stuck-in-loading-kibana/247875/8 "2020-09-09T10:43:32Z")

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Thank you for your response  
The result is too long...  
some head -n 26 is:  
'''

Elastic

```
    @font-face {
      font-family: 'Inter UI';
      font-style: normal;
      font-weight: 100;
      src: url('/ui/fonts/inter_ui/Inter-UI-Thin-BETA.woff2') format('woff2'), url('/ui/fonts/inter_ui/Inter-UI-Thin-BETA.woff') format('woff');
    }

    @font-face {
      font-family: 'Inter UI';
      font-style: italic;
      font-weight: 100;
      src: url('/ui/fonts/inter_ui/Inter-UI-ThinItalic-BETA.woff2') format('woff2'), url('/ui/fonts/inter_ui/Inter-UI-ThinItalic-BETA.woff') format('woff');
    }

    @font-face {
      font-family: 'Inter UI';
      font-style: normal;
      font-weight: 200;
      src: url('/ui/fonts/inter_ui/Inter-UI-ExtraLight-BETA.woff2') format('woff2'), url('/ui/fonts/inter_ui/Inter-UI-ExtraLight-BETA.woff') format('woff');
    }

    @font-face {
      font-family: 'Inter UI';
      font-style: italic;
      font-weight: 200;
      src: url('/ui/fonts/inter_ui/Inter-UI-ExtraLightItalic-BETA.woff2') format('woff2'), url('/ui/fonts/inter_ui/Inter-UI-ExtraLightItalic-BETA.woff') format('woff');
    }

```

'''

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**Author:** ![Farid\_N](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/farid_n/32/74144_2.png) [@Farid\_N](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/Farid_N)\
**Post date:** [September 9, 2020, 10:50am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/stuck-in-loading-kibana/247875/9 "2020-09-09T10:50:25Z")

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and this is my Kibana configuration:  
'''

# Kibana is served by a back end server. This setting specifies the port to use.

server.port: 5602

# Specifies the address to which the Kibana server will bind. IP addresses and host names are both valid values.

# The default is 'localhost', which usually means remote machines will not be able to connect.

# To allow connections from remote users, set this parameter to a non-loopback address.

server.host: "localhost"

# Enables you to specify a path to mount Kibana at if you are running behind a proxy.

# Use the `server.rewriteBasePath` setting to tell Kibana if it should remove the basePath

# from requests it receives, and to prevent a deprecation warning at startup.

# This setting cannot end in a slash.

#server.basePath: ""

# Specifies whether Kibana should rewrite requests that are prefixed with

# `server.basePath` or require that they are rewritten by your reverse proxy.

# This setting was effectively always `false` before Kibana 6.3 and will

# default to `true` starting in Kibana 7.0.

#server.rewriteBasePath: false

# The maximum payload size in bytes for incoming server requests.

#server.maxPayloadBytes: 1048576

# The Kibana server's name. This is used for display purposes.

server.name: "\*\*\*\*\*\*"

# The URLs of the Elasticsearch instances to use for all your queries.

elasticsearch.hosts: ["[http://localhost:9200](http://localhost:9200)"]

# When this setting's value is true Kibana uses the hostname specified in the server.host

# setting. When the value of this setting is false, Kibana uses the hostname of the host

# that connects to this Kibana instance.

#elasticsearch.preserveHost: true

# Kibana uses an index in Elasticsearch to store saved searches, visualizations and

# dashboards. Kibana creates a new index if the index doesn't already exist.

#kibana.index: ".kibana"

# The default application to load.

#kibana.defaultAppId: "home"

# If your Elasticsearch is protected with basic authentication, these settings provide

# the username and password that the Kibana server uses to perform maintenance on the Kibana

# index at startup. Your Kibana users still need to authenticate with Elasticsearch, which

# is proxied through the Kibana server.

elasticsearch.username: "elastic"  
elasticsearch.password: "\*\*\*\*\*\*\*"

# Enables SSL and paths to the PEM-format SSL certificate and SSL key files, respectively.

# These settings enable SSL for outgoing requests from the Kibana server to the browser.

#server.ssl.enabled: false  
#server.ssl.certificate: /path/to/your/server.crt  
#server.ssl.key: /path/to/your/server.key

# Optional settings that provide the paths to the PEM-format SSL certificate and key files.

# These files are used to verify the identity of Kibana to Elasticsearch and are required when

# xpack.security.http.ssl.client\_authentication in Elasticsearch is set to required.

#elasticsearch.ssl.certificate: /path/to/your/client.crt  
#elasticsearch.ssl.key: /path/to/your/client.key

# Optional setting that enables you to specify a path to the PEM file for the certificate

# authority for your Elasticsearch instance.

#elasticsearch.ssl.certificateAuthorities: ["/path/to/your/CA.pem"]

# To disregard the validity of SSL certificates, change this setting's value to 'none'.

#elasticsearch.ssl.verificationMode: full

# Time in milliseconds to wait for Elasticsearch to respond to pings. Defaults to the value of

# the elasticsearch.requestTimeout setting.

#elasticsearch.pingTimeout: 1500

# Time in milliseconds to wait for responses from the back end or Elasticsearch. This value

# must be a positive integer.

#elasticsearch.requestTimeout: 30000

# List of Kibana client-side headers to send to Elasticsearch. To send _no_ client-side

# headers, set this value to (an empty list).

#elasticsearch.requestHeadersWhitelist: [authorization]

# Header names and values that are sent to Elasticsearch. Any custom headers cannot be overwritten

# by client-side headers, regardless of the elasticsearch.requestHeadersWhitelist configuration.

#elasticsearch.customHeaders: {}

# Time in milliseconds for Elasticsearch to wait for responses from shards. Set to 0 to disable.

#elasticsearch.shardTimeout: 30000

# Time in milliseconds to wait for Elasticsearch at Kibana startup before retrying.

#elasticsearch.startupTimeout: 5000

# Logs queries sent to Elasticsearch. Requires logging.verbose set to true.

#elasticsearch.logQueries: false

# Specifies the path where Kibana creates the process ID file.

#pid.file: /var/run/kibana.pid

# Enables you to specify a file where Kibana stores log output.

#logging.dest: stdout

# Set the value of this setting to true to suppress all logging output.

#logging.silent: false

# Set the value of this setting to true to suppress all logging output other than error messages.

#logging.quiet: false

# Set the value of this setting to true to log all events, including system usage information

# and all requests.

#logging.verbose: false

# Set the interval in milliseconds to sample system and process performance

# metrics. Minimum is 100ms. Defaults to 5000.

#ops.interval: 5000

# Specifies locale to be used for all localizable strings, dates and number formats.

# Supported languages are the following: English - en , by default , Chinese - zh-CN .

#i18n.locale: "en"  
'''

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**Author:** ![ylasri](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/ylasri/32/86120_2.png) [@ylasri](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/ylasri)\
**Post date:** [September 9, 2020, 11:56am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/stuck-in-loading-kibana/247875/10 "2020-09-09T11:56:43Z")

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Change your kibana.yml and use

`server.host: "0.0.0.0"`

Then try to access Kibana from your browser using IP adresse of your host

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**Author:** ![warkolm](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/warkolm/32/39224_2.png) [@warkolm](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/warkolm)\
**Post date:** [September 9, 2020, 11:35pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/stuck-in-loading-kibana/247875/11 "2020-09-09T23:35:38Z")

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Please format your code/logs/config using the `</>` button, or markdown style back ticks. It helps to make things easy to read which helps us help you 🙂

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**Author:** ![Farid\_N](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/farid_n/32/74144_2.png) [@Farid\_N](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/Farid_N)\
**Post date:** [September 10, 2020, 8:23am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/stuck-in-loading-kibana/247875/12 "2020-09-10T08:23:02Z")

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Thank you so much

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**Author:** ![Farid\_N](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/farid_n/32/74144_2.png) [@Farid\_N](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/Farid_N)\
**Post date:** [September 10, 2020, 8:23am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/stuck-in-loading-kibana/247875/13 "2020-09-10T08:23:24Z")

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Sure, I apologize... Thank you so much

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**Author:** ![Mahantha\_D\_R](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/mahantha_d_r/32/70860_2.png) [@Mahantha\_D\_R](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/Mahantha_D_R)\
**Post date:** [September 10, 2020, 4:53pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/stuck-in-loading-kibana/247875/14 "2020-09-10T16:53:39Z")

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Looking at curl response, we can see Kibana is up and running!  
you need to check your connectivity from your computer and server ip.

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**Author:** ![PuffPuff\_Pass](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/puffpuff_pass/32/72188_2.png) [@PuffPuff\_Pass](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/PuffPuff_Pass)\
**Post date:** [September 14, 2020, 1:05pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/stuck-in-loading-kibana/247875/15 "2020-09-14T13:05:16Z")

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Hello Farid,  
First of all your default config contains localhost:9200 which means you can access the kibana only using an ssh tunnel from the phisical ip ( 172.18.x.x ) to 127.0.0.1 of the server. You can do that using mobaXTerm's tunnel feature. I would say great security allowing only localhost to connect to kibana but i guess that's not what you are looking for. In your case it is listening only from queries from itself not accepting from other source IP.

I would change that line in the config to  
server.host: "172.18.x.x" ...so kibana would be accessible from outside the box and only on that interface.

Do you have kibana and elastic on the same box? If not change this line with the ip of the box hosting elastic db  
elasticsearch.hosts: ["[[http://ipoftheelasticbox:9200](http://ipoftheelasticbox:9200)]

Server is not stuck, kibana is working, you are just not allowed to access it over 172.18.x.x interface. Localhost=127.0.0.1 and that's your problem

Hope this helps

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**Author:** ![Farid\_N](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/farid_n/32/74144_2.png) [@Farid\_N](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/Farid_N)\
**Post date:** [September 29, 2020, 9:51am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/stuck-in-loading-kibana/247875/16 "2020-09-29T09:51:59Z")

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Thank you...

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**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/original/3X/1/a/1ac57faf039f6b580b3f104ef42a2a89e41014de.png) [@system](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/system)\
**Post date:** [October 27, 2020, 9:51am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/stuck-in-loading-kibana/247875/17 "2020-10-27T09:51:59Z")

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