# Time for moderation? **URL:** \ **Category:** Elasticsearch\ **Created:** [July 13, 2012, 7:43pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/time-for-moderation/8413 "2012-07-13T19:43:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Paul\_Brown](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/paul_brown/32/1449_2.png) [@Paul\_Brown](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/Paul_Brown)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 7:43pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/time-for-moderation/8413/1 "2012-07-13T19:43:06Z")
Some other Google groups where I spend cycles have had to go with moderation and enough people have stepped up as moderators that it doesn't really interfere with legitimate list traffic. Any objections to switching the list to moderated? (I'm willing to throw my hat in as a moderate and will rubber-stamp legitimate emails when I'm paying attention.) -- Paul ---
**Author:** ![Patrick](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/patrick/32/1437_2.png) [@Patrick](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/Patrick)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 9:30pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/time-for-moderation/8413/2 "2012-07-13T21:30:08Z")
Paul, Could you perhaps provide some examples of where moderation would've solved a specific problem? Granted, the most recent java developer mail is a great example, but I'm wondering what other examples you may have that warrant such a drastic measure? I mean, we could certainly moderate new users for a 'period', and I'm all for moderation if it solves a large problem, I'll even volunteer to assist πŸ™‚ I'd hate for it to turn into a censorship tool though, but I doubt that Shay would let that happen anyway. ## Patrick > **[Patrick Ancillotti on about.me](https://about.me/patrick.ancillotti)** > > I live in New York. patrick eefy net On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Paul Brown [prb@mult.ifario.us](mailto:prb@mult.ifario.us) wrote: > Some other Google groups where I spend cycles have had to go with > moderation and enough people have stepped up as moderators that it doesn't > really interfere with legitimate list traffic. > > Any objections to switching the list to moderated? (I'm willing to throw > my hat in as a moderate and will rubber-stamp legitimate emails when I'm > paying attention.) > > -- Paul ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_Brown](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/paul_brown/32/1449_2.png) [@Paul\_Brown](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/Paul_Brown)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 9:47pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/time-for-moderation/8413/3 "2012-07-13T21:47:31Z")
Hi, Patrick -- In my opinion, it is only a matter of time until we start seeing all sorts of other spam here as they do in other Google groups, and I fully agree that is unfortunate if true that unmoderated forums/email lists are as dead as unmoderated blog comments. I would expect the problem to accelerate once people see (1) that spam posts get through and (2) readership for the group increases. From the spam then start the threads of people replying to tell the spammer to cut it out, etc. I agree 100% on the need to ensure that it does not become censorship, and from what I know as one of probably a dozen volunteer moderates for the Hector (Cassandra client) mailing list, the logs of rejected postings are available for all of the moderators to review and potentially override. We could put it to an informal or formal vote, I suppose, or Shay can put on his Elastisearch BDFL hat and make a choice, too. -- Paul On Jul 13, 2012, at 2:30 PM, Patrick wrote: > Paul, > > Could you perhaps provide some examples of where moderation would've solved a specific problem? Granted, the most recent java developer mail is a great example, but I'm wondering what other examples you may have that warrant such a drastic measure? I mean, we could certainly moderate new users for a 'period', and I'm all for moderation if it solves a large problem, I'll even volunteer to assist πŸ™‚ I'd hate for it to turn into a censorship tool though, but I doubt that Shay would let that happen anyway. > > ## Patrick > > [Patrick Ancillotti - New York | about.me](http://about.me/patrick.ancillotti) > patrick eefy net > > On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Paul Brown [prb@mult.ifario.us](mailto:prb@mult.ifario.us) wrote: > > Some other Google groups where I spend cycles have had to go with moderation and enough people have stepped up as moderators that it doesn't really interfere with legitimate list traffic. > > Any objections to switching the list to moderated? (I'm willing to throw my hat in as a moderate and will rubber-stamp legitimate emails when I'm paying attention.) > > -- Paul ---
**Author:** ![Ivan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/df788c/32.png) [@Ivan](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/Ivan)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2012, 12:14am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/time-for-moderation/8413/4 "2012-07-14T00:14:37Z")
Besides the recent recruiter post (which is annoying, but not technically spam), there have been very very few spam issues on the Elasticsearch list. I think this list is far from needing moderation. LinkedIn groups on the other hand.... On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Paul Brown [prb@mult.ifario.us](mailto:prb@mult.ifario.us) wrote: > Hi, Patrick -- > > In my opinion, it is only a matter of time until we start seeing all sorts > of other spam here as they do in other Google groups, and I fully agree that > is unfortunate if true that unmoderated forums/email lists are as dead as > unmoderated blog comments. I would expect the problem to accelerate once > people see (1) that spam posts get through and (2) readership for the group > increases. From the spam then start the threads of people replying to tell > the spammer to cut it out, etc. > > I agree 100% on the need to ensure that it does not become censorship, and > from what I know as one of probably a dozen volunteer moderates for the > Hector (Cassandra client) mailing list, the logs of rejected postings are > available for all of the moderators to review and potentially override. > > We could put it to an informal or formal vote, I suppose, or Shay can put on > his Elastisearch BDFL hat and make a choice, too. > > -- Paul > > On Jul 13, 2012, at 2:30 PM, Patrick wrote: > > Paul, > > Could you perhaps provide some examples of where moderation would've solved > a specific problem? Granted, the most recent java developer mail is a great > example, but I'm wondering what other examples you may have that warrant > such a drastic measure? I mean, we could certainly moderate new users for a > 'period', and I'm all for moderation if it solves a large problem, I'll even > volunteer to assist πŸ™‚ I'd hate for it to turn into a censorship tool > though, but I doubt that Shay would let that happen anyway. > > ## Patrick > > [Patrick Ancillotti - New York | about.me](http://about.me/patrick.ancillotti) > patrick eefy net > > On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Paul Brown [prb@mult.ifario.us](mailto:prb@mult.ifario.us) wrote: > > > Some other Google groups where I spend cycles have had to go with > > moderation and enough people have stepped up as moderators that it doesn't > > really interfere with legitimate list traffic. > > > > Any objections to switching the list to moderated? (I'm willing to throw > > my hat in as a moderate and will rubber-stamp legitimate emails when I'm > > paying attention.) > > > > -- Paul ---
**Author:** ![dadoonet](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/dadoonet/32/137187_2.png) [@dadoonet](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/dadoonet)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2012, 7:21am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/time-for-moderation/8413/5 "2012-07-14T07:21:22Z")
I agree with Ivan. We don't see so much spam by now. But, if spam increases and Shay wants to moderate the list, I will be happy to help. Cheers David -- Le 14 juil. 2012 Γ  02:14, Ivan Brusic [ivan@brusic.com](mailto:ivan@brusic.com) a Γ©crit : > Besides the recent recruiter post (which is annoying, but not > technically spam), there have been very very few spam issues on the > Elasticsearch list. I think this list is far from needing moderation. > LinkedIn groups on the other hand.... > > On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Paul Brown [prb@mult.ifario.us](mailto:prb@mult.ifario.us) wrote: > > > Hi, Patrick -- > > > > In my opinion, it is only a matter of time until we start seeing all sorts > > of other spam here as they do in other Google groups, and I fully agree that > > is unfortunate if true that unmoderated forums/email lists are as dead as > > unmoderated blog comments. I would expect the problem to accelerate once > > people see (1) that spam posts get through and (2) readership for the group > > increases. From the spam then start the threads of people replying to tell > > the spammer to cut it out, etc. > > > > I agree 100% on the need to ensure that it does not become censorship, and > > from what I know as one of probably a dozen volunteer moderates for the > > Hector (Cassandra client) mailing list, the logs of rejected postings are > > available for all of the moderators to review and potentially override. > > > > We could put it to an informal or formal vote, I suppose, or Shay can put on > > his Elastisearch BDFL hat and make a choice, too. > > > > -- Paul > > > > On Jul 13, 2012, at 2:30 PM, Patrick wrote: > > > > Paul, > > > > Could you perhaps provide some examples of where moderation would've solved > > a specific problem? Granted, the most recent java developer mail is a great > > example, but I'm wondering what other examples you may have that warrant > > such a drastic measure? I mean, we could certainly moderate new users for a > > 'period', and I'm all for moderation if it solves a large problem, I'll even > > volunteer to assist πŸ™‚ I'd hate for it to turn into a censorship tool > > though, but I doubt that Shay would let that happen anyway. > > > > ## Patrick > > > > [Patrick Ancillotti - New York | about.me](http://about.me/patrick.ancillotti) > > patrick eefy net > > > > On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Paul Brown [prb@mult.ifario.us](mailto:prb@mult.ifario.us) wrote: > > > > > Some other Google groups where I spend cycles have had to go with > > > moderation and enough people have stepped up as moderators that it doesn't > > > really interfere with legitimate list traffic. > > > > > > Any objections to switching the list to moderated? (I'm willing to throw > > > my hat in as a moderate and will rubber-stamp legitimate emails when I'm > > > paying attention.) > > > > > > -- Paul ---
**Author:** ![jprante](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/jprante/32/44941_2.png) [@jprante](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/jprante)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2012, 10:24am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/time-for-moderation/8413/6 "2012-07-14T10:24:55Z")
The signal-to-noise ratio is very good here. Moderation will slow down normal posting which will be annoying for regular posters, even with dozens of moderators. And moderation might discourage newbies from participating in the community. Please note that Google groups is handling known spam already. You can mark a single posting as spam with the "report abuse" function so I don't think a tight security setting like moderation is required yet. Best regards, JΓΆrg On Friday, July 13, 2012 9:43:06 PM UTC+2, Paul Brown wrote: > Some other Google groups where I spend cycles have had to go with > moderation and enough people have stepped up as moderators that it doesn't > really interfere with legitimate list traffic. > > Any objections to switching the list to moderated? (I'm willing to throw > my hat in as a moderate and will rubber-stamp legitimate emails when I'm > paying attention.) > > -- Paul ---
**Author:** ![Clinton\_Gormley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/50afbb/32.png) [@Clinton\_Gormley](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/Clinton_Gormley)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2012, 11:33am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/time-for-moderation/8413/7 "2012-07-14T11:33:13Z")
On Fri, 2012-07-13 at 17:14 -0700, Ivan Brusic wrote: > Besides the recent recruiter post (which is annoying, but not > technically spam), there have been very very few spam issues on the > Elasticsearch list. I think this list is far from needing moderation. > LinkedIn groups on the other hand.... I agree completely - the level of spam on this list is tiny clint > On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Paul Brown [prb@mult.ifario.us](mailto:prb@mult.ifario.us) wrote: > > > Hi, Patrick -- > > > > In my opinion, it is only a matter of time until we start seeing all sorts > > of other spam here as they do in other Google groups, and I fully agree that > > is unfortunate if true that unmoderated forums/email lists are as dead as > > unmoderated blog comments. I would expect the problem to accelerate once > > people see (1) that spam posts get through and (2) readership for the group > > increases. From the spam then start the threads of people replying to tell > > the spammer to cut it out, etc. > > > > I agree 100% on the need to ensure that it does not become censorship, and > > from what I know as one of probably a dozen volunteer moderates for the > > Hector (Cassandra client) mailing list, the logs of rejected postings are > > available for all of the moderators to review and potentially override. > > > > We could put it to an informal or formal vote, I suppose, or Shay can put on > > his Elastisearch BDFL hat and make a choice, too. > > > > -- Paul > > > > On Jul 13, 2012, at 2:30 PM, Patrick wrote: > > > > Paul, > > > > Could you perhaps provide some examples of where moderation would've solved > > a specific problem? Granted, the most recent java developer mail is a great > > example, but I'm wondering what other examples you may have that warrant > > such a drastic measure? I mean, we could certainly moderate new users for a > > 'period', and I'm all for moderation if it solves a large problem, I'll even > > volunteer to assist πŸ™‚ I'd hate for it to turn into a censorship tool > > though, but I doubt that Shay would let that happen anyway. > > > > ## Patrick > > > > [Patrick Ancillotti - New York | about.me](http://about.me/patrick.ancillotti) > > patrick eefy net > > > > On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Paul Brown [prb@mult.ifario.us](mailto:prb@mult.ifario.us) wrote: > > > > > Some other Google groups where I spend cycles have had to go with > > > moderation and enough people have stepped up as moderators that it doesn't > > > really interfere with legitimate list traffic. > > > > > > Any objections to switching the list to moderated? (I'm willing to throw > > > my hat in as a moderate and will rubber-stamp legitimate emails when I'm > > > paying attention.) > > > > > > -- Paul ---
**Author:** ![kimchy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/kimchy/32/44952_2.png) [@kimchy](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/kimchy)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2012, 11:40am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/time-for-moderation/8413/8 "2012-07-14T11:40:13Z")
I agree, I don't think we have too much spam yet to warrant moderation. Though, I think that we can have more people allowed to quickly ban users from posting to the mailing list if they spam. We can obviously revisit this decision any time if its gets crazy. On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Clinton Gormley [clint@traveljury.com](mailto:clint@traveljury.com)wrote: > On Fri, 2012-07-13 at 17:14 -0700, Ivan Brusic wrote: > > > Besides the recent recruiter post (which is annoying, but not > > technically spam), there have been very very few spam issues on the > > Elasticsearch list. I think this list is far from needing moderation. > > LinkedIn groups on the other hand.... > > I agree completely - the level of spam on this list is tiny > > clint > > > On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Paul Brown [prb@mult.ifario.us](mailto:prb@mult.ifario.us) wrote: > > > > > Hi, Patrick -- > > > > > > In my opinion, it is only a matter of time until we start seeing all > > > sorts > > > of other spam here as they do in other Google groups, and I fully > > > agree that > > > is unfortunate if true that unmoderated forums/email lists are as dead > > > as > > > unmoderated blog comments. I would expect the problem to accelerate > > > once > > > people see (1) that spam posts get through and (2) readership for the > > > group > > > increases. From the spam then start the threads of people replying to > > > tell > > > the spammer to cut it out, etc. > > > > > > I agree 100% on the need to ensure that it does not become censorship, > > > and > > > from what I know as one of probably a dozen volunteer moderates for the > > > Hector (Cassandra client) mailing list, the logs of rejected postings > > > are > > > available for all of the moderators to review and potentially override. > > > > > > We could put it to an informal or formal vote, I suppose, or Shay can > > > put on > > > his Elastisearch BDFL hat and make a choice, too. > > > > > > -- Paul > > > > > > On Jul 13, 2012, at 2:30 PM, Patrick wrote: > > > > > > Paul, > > > > > > Could you perhaps provide some examples of where moderation would've > > > solved > > > a specific problem? Granted, the most recent java developer mail is a > > > great > > > example, but I'm wondering what other examples you may have that > > > warrant > > > such a drastic measure? I mean, we could certainly moderate new users > > > for a > > > 'period', and I'm all for moderation if it solves a large problem, > > > I'll even > > > volunteer to assist πŸ™‚ I'd hate for it to turn into a censorship tool > > > though, but I doubt that Shay would let that happen anyway. > > > > > > ## Patrick > > > > > > [Patrick Ancillotti - New York | about.me](http://about.me/patrick.ancillotti) > > > patrick eefy net > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Paul Brown [prb@mult.ifario.us](mailto:prb@mult.ifario.us) > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Some other Google groups where I spend cycles have had to go with > > > > moderation and enough people have stepped up as moderators that it > > > > doesn't > > > > really interfere with legitimate list traffic. > > > > > > > > Any objections to switching the list to moderated? (I'm willing to > > > > throw > > > > my hat in as a moderate and will rubber-stamp legitimate emails when > > > > I'm > > > > paying attention.) > > > > > > > > -- Paul ---
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