# Tribe Node Sizing Guidelines?

**URL:** <https://discuss.elastic.co/t/tribe-node-sizing-guidelines/62989>\
**Category:** Elasticsearch\
**Created:** [October 13, 2016, 7:37pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/tribe-node-sizing-guidelines/62989 "2016-10-13T19:37:48Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 4\
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**Author:** ![Maxwell\_Flanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Maxwell\_Flanders](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/Maxwell_Flanders)\
**Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 7:37pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/tribe-node-sizing-guidelines/62989/1 "2016-10-13T19:37:48Z")

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Are there any rules of thumb for the machine size of an elasticsearch tribe node??

We are running two tribe nodes (for failover) unifying 8 clusters. Most of these clusters are extremely small with a total of \< 50 gb data, but two of them have data stores of 500gb - 2tb (and getting bigger). Our use case is our devs using a kibana instance connected to the tribe node to search through logs, and create aggregates and visualizations. Additionally we are using elastalert to run about 15-20 alert queries against the tribe node every minute.

How should I approach determining how large those tribe nodes ought to be??

Would it be beneficial to have two sets of tribe nodes, one that manages all of the automatic elastalert queries, and a second set to connect kibana to and field all of out developers queries??

Thanks!

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**Author:** ![warkolm](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/warkolm/32/39224_2.png) [@warkolm](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/warkolm)\
**Post date:** [October 14, 2016, 9:59am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/tribe-node-sizing-guidelines/62989/2 "2016-10-14T09:59:37Z")

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> [@Maxwell\_Flanders](#):
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> We are running two tribe nodes (for failover) unifying 8 clusters

That's quite a lot!

As Tribe nodes are "meta" clients, they will be more CPU heavy, to deal with all the reductions. How much depends on your queries.

It won't need anymore than the \<32GB heap though.

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**Author:** ![Maxwell\_Flanders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Maxwell\_Flanders](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/Maxwell_Flanders)\
**Post date:** [October 21, 2016, 6:02pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/tribe-node-sizing-guidelines/62989/3 "2016-10-21T18:02:47Z")

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Thank you!

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**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/original/3X/1/a/1ac57faf039f6b580b3f104ef42a2a89e41014de.png) [@system](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/system)\
**Post date:** [July 5, 2017, 10:10pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/tribe-node-sizing-guidelines/62989/4 "2017-07-05T22:10:27Z")

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