# Unable to sign into ElasticSearch or Kibana after default 5.02 installation - help please?
**URL:** https://discuss.elastic.co/t/unable-to-sign-into-elasticsearch-or-kibana-after-default-5-02-installation-help-please/67937
**Category:** Elasticsearch
**Created:** [December 4, 2016, 12:19am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/unable-to-sign-into-elasticsearch-or-kibana-after-default-5-02-installation-help-please/67937 "2016-12-04T00:19:25Z")
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### Author:  [@baden0x1](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/baden0x1)
#### Post date: [December 4, 2016, 12:19am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/unable-to-sign-into-elasticsearch-or-kibana-after-default-5-02-installation-help-please/67937/1 "2016-12-04T00:19:25Z")
I am prompted for a user name and password after installing v5.0.2 - both for localhost:9200 and Kibana.
In reading the notes her: [https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/x-pack/current/setting-up-authentication.html](https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/x-pack/current/setting-up-authentication.html) I tried executing the PUT commands through Fiddler but got 401 on each request - still needs auth.
I haven't set any user names or passwords and the only help online I can find relates to having installed Shield, which I have not installed.
Assistance please!
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### Author:  [@dadoonet](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/dadoonet)
#### Post date: [December 4, 2016, 2:34am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/unable-to-sign-into-elasticsearch-or-kibana-after-default-5-02-installation-help-please/67937/2 "2016-12-04T02:34:19Z")
Read: [https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/x-pack/5.0/setting-up-authentication.html#built-in-users](https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/x-pack/5.0/setting-up-authentication.html#built-in-users)
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### Author:  [@baden0x1](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/baden0x1)
#### Post date: [December 5, 2016, 3:16pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/unable-to-sign-into-elasticsearch-or-kibana-after-default-5-02-installation-help-please/67937/3 "2016-12-05T15:16:08Z")
I can't issue any requests without first authenticating - that's the issue. Any other suggestions?
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### Author:  [@dadoonet](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/dadoonet)
#### Post date: [December 5, 2016, 4:26pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/unable-to-sign-into-elasticsearch-or-kibana-after-default-5-02-installation-help-please/67937/4 "2016-12-05T16:26:05Z")
Authenticate with the default user first.
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### Author:  [@baden0x1](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/baden0x1)
#### Post date: [December 5, 2016, 6:08pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/unable-to-sign-into-elasticsearch-or-kibana-after-default-5-02-installation-help-please/67937/5 "2016-12-05T18:08:24Z")
What are the default credentials please?
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### Author:  [@dadoonet](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/dadoonet)
#### Post date: [December 5, 2016, 6:45pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/unable-to-sign-into-elasticsearch-or-kibana-after-default-5-02-installation-help-please/67937/6 "2016-12-05T18:45:16Z")
It's written in the doc I linked to already.
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### Author:  [@baden0x1](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/baden0x1)
#### Post date: [December 5, 2016, 8:59pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/unable-to-sign-into-elasticsearch-or-kibana-after-default-5-02-installation-help-please/67937/7 "2016-12-05T20:59:04Z")
Excellent, thank you!
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### Author:  [@system](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/system)
#### Post date: [January 2, 2017, 8:59pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/unable-to-sign-into-elasticsearch-or-kibana-after-default-5-02-installation-help-please/67937/8 "2017-01-02T20:59:06Z")
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