# Unexpected Rule Failure

**URL:** <https://discuss.elastic.co/t/unexpected-rule-failure/364137>\
**Category:** Kibana\
**Created:** [July 31, 2024, 1:39pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/unexpected-rule-failure/364137 "2024-07-31T13:39:52Z")\
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**Author:** ![jessgarson](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/jessgarson/32/129841_2.png) [@jessgarson](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/jessgarson)\
**Post date:** [August 5, 2024, 6:27pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/unexpected-rule-failure/364137/2 "2024-08-05T18:27:56Z")

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Hi @erikg,

I think this may have to user roles according [to this older forum post on the subject.](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/error-cannot-read-properties-of-undefined-reading-includes/303696/3) So my guess here is that you removed a user who did not have the proper role.

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