# Use kibana.index param as prefix for ancillary kibana indices

**URL:** <https://discuss.elastic.co/t/use-kibana-index-param-as-prefix-for-ancillary-kibana-indices/249639>\
**Category:** Kibana\
**Created:** [September 23, 2020, 10:22am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/use-kibana-index-param-as-prefix-for-ancillary-kibana-indices/249639 "2020-09-23T10:22:00Z")\
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**Author:** ![parosio](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/parosio/32/27367_2.png) [@parosio](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/parosio)\
**Post date:** [September 23, 2020, 10:22am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/use-kibana-index-param-as-prefix-for-ancillary-kibana-indices/249639/1 "2020-09-23T10:22:01Z")

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Hello,

I'm having sort of a problem with a double kibana installation on top of a single Elastic cluster (currently using 6.7 stack, basic license).

The second kibana has this setting: `kibana.index: ".my-second-app-kibana"` and works just fine alongside with the main kibana instance.

I have an elastic (3rd party) plugin to allow access only to a subset of indices (`my-second-app*`) and `.my-second-app-kibana*`.

The problem arises when the second kibana tries to create ancillary indices like `.kibana_task_manager`, failing.

Would it be possible to use the same setting specified for the `kibana.index` parameter as a prefix for all the other indices kibana need to create (eg: `.my-second-app-kibana_task_manager`)?

Regards,  
Paolo

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**Author:** ![flash1293](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/flash1293/32/41227_2.png) [@flash1293](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/flash1293)\
**Post date:** [September 23, 2020, 11:53am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/use-kibana-index-param-as-prefix-for-ancillary-kibana-indices/249639/2 "2020-09-23T11:53:56Z")

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You should be able to move the task manager index in the same way using `xpack.task_manager.index`.

Defining a prefix for all of these system indexes at once sounds like a good idea, I'm not aware this is possible at the moment. Feel free to open a feature request here: [https://github.com/elastic/kibana/issues/new?template=Feature\_request.md](https://github.com/elastic/kibana/issues/new?template=Feature_request.md)

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**Author:** ![parosio](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/parosio/32/27367_2.png) [@parosio](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/parosio)\
**Post date:** [September 23, 2020, 1:06pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/use-kibana-index-param-as-prefix-for-ancillary-kibana-indices/249639/3 "2020-09-23T13:06:23Z")

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Thank you,  
I was unaware of the possibility of defining that index name too (it's rather hidden in doc).

I actually opened a [request](https://github.com/elastic/kibana/issues/78286) on github, as you suggested.

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**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/original/3X/1/a/1ac57faf039f6b580b3f104ef42a2a89e41014de.png) [@system](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/system)\
**Post date:** [October 21, 2020, 1:06pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/use-kibana-index-param-as-prefix-for-ancillary-kibana-indices/249639/4 "2020-10-21T13:06:24Z")

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