# Users in Kibana and Elasticsearch
**URL:** https://discuss.elastic.co/t/users-in-kibana-and-elasticsearch/351496
**Category:** Kibana
**Created:** [January 21, 2024, 11:52am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/users-in-kibana-and-elasticsearch/351496 "2024-01-21T11:52:55Z")
**Posts on this page:** 5
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### Author:  [@stobbe](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/stobbe)
#### Post date: [January 21, 2024, 11:52am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/users-in-kibana-and-elasticsearch/351496/1 "2024-01-21T11:52:56Z")
Hello,
Very basic question, but the documentation is not that clear I think.
I am looking how elastic and kibana communicate user info.
When creating a user in kibana is this user automaticaly available in elastic or does kibana has its own users and execute elastic commands as a proxy?
KR Henk
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### Author:  [@leandrojmp](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/leandrojmp)
#### Post date: [January 21, 2024, 12:00pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/users-in-kibana-and-elasticsearch/351496/2 "2024-01-21T12:00:38Z")
> [@stobbe](#):
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> When creating a user in kibana is this user automaticaly available in elastic or does kibana has its own users and execute elastic commands as a proxy?
The users are stored in Elasticseach, when you create an user you can use it in any client, Kibana is just one of the possible clients.
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### Author:  [@stobbe](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/stobbe)
#### Post date: [January 21, 2024, 2:22pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/users-in-kibana-and-elasticsearch/351496/3 "2024-01-21T14:22:11Z")
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Thanks for your reply, may I also conclude that when you create a "elastic" user, you need to give it the right/role to logon to Kibana?
KR Henk
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### Author:  [@leandrojmp](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/leandrojmp)
#### Post date: [January 21, 2024, 3:05pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/users-in-kibana-and-elasticsearch/351496/4 "2024-01-21T15:05:37Z")
> [@stobbe](#):
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> `Thanks for your reply, may I also conclude that when you create a "elastic" user, you need to give it the right/role to logon to Kibana?`
You mean when you create an user or the specific `elastic` user?
The `elastic` user is a [built-in](https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/elasticsearch/reference/current/built-in-users.html) user that has the _superuser_ role.
But if you create another custom user, like `admin`, you will need to create a role for this user first with the permissions it will need.
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### Author:  [@system](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/system)
#### Post date: [February 18, 2024, 3:06pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/users-in-kibana-and-elasticsearch/351496/5 "2024-02-18T15:06:03Z")
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