# Watcher Simulate Role

**URL:** <https://discuss.elastic.co/t/watcher-simulate-role/180902>\
**Category:** Kibana\
**Created:** [May 14, 2019, 1:27am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/watcher-simulate-role/180902 "2019-05-14T01:27:29Z")\
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**Author:** ![semihsezer](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/semihsezer/32/46112_2.png) [@semihsezer](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/semihsezer)\
**Post date:** [May 14, 2019, 1:27am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/watcher-simulate-role/180902/1 "2019-05-14T01:27:30Z")

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Is it possible to create a role that can simulate a watch without the ability to save it?  
From digging around I came across "manage\_watcher" role, but that is not granular enough for what I want.

The reason is that I want to give my users to test watches on prod but I don't want them to be able to save watches (we want an admin process to create watches)

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**Author:** ![tylersmalley](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/tylersmalley/32/8833_2.png) [@tylersmalley](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/tylersmalley)\
**Post date:** [May 14, 2019, 2:57pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/watcher-simulate-role/180902/2 "2019-05-14T14:57:06Z")

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I don't believe so - there is the [execute watch API](https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/elasticsearch/reference/current/watcher-api-execute-watch.html), but that needs `manage_watcher`.

I wonder if you could create a simple test cluster and use [Cross Cluster Search](https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/elasticsearch/reference/current/modules-cross-cluster-search.html) to access the data from that cluster. This way you could have your prod data available to a sort of sandbox cluster.

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**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/original/3X/1/a/1ac57faf039f6b580b3f104ef42a2a89e41014de.png) [@system](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/system)\
**Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 2:57pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/watcher-simulate-role/180902/3 "2019-06-11T14:57:14Z")

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