# What causes high CPU load on ES-Storage Nodes?

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**Category:** Elasticsearch\
**Created:** [January 27, 2015, 3:14pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/what-causes-high-cpu-load-on-es-storage-nodes/21850 "2015-01-27T15:14:29Z")\
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**Post date:** [January 27, 2015, 3:14pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/what-causes-high-cpu-load-on-es-storage-nodes/21850/1 "2015-01-27T15:14:29Z")

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Hey guys,

i´ve been around this "problem" for quite a while, and didnt got a clear  
answer to it.

Like many of you guys out there, we are running an es-"cluster" on a single  
strong server, moving older indices from the fast SSD´s to slow cheap HDD´s  
(About 25 TB data).

To make this work we got 3 instances of ES running with the path of indices  
set to the HDD´s mountpoint and 1 single instance for the  
indexing/searching SSD´s.

What makes me wonder all the time is, that even the "Storage"-nodes dont do  
anything(there is no indexing happening, there is 95% of the time no  
searching happening, they are just keeping the old indices fresh) the cpu  
load caused by this "idle" nodes is about 50% from the whole cpu working  
time.

hot\_threads: [https://gist.github.com/german23/662732ca4d9dbdcb406b](https://gist.github.com/german23/662732ca4d9dbdcb406b)

Is it possible that due to ES-Cluster mechanism, all the indexes are keep  
getting refreshed all the time, when a document is indexed or a search is  
executed.

Are there any configuration options to avoid such an behavior?

Would it be better to export the old indices to an separate ES-Cluster and  
configure multiple ES-Paths in Kibana?

Are there any best practices to maintain such cluster?

I would appreciate any form of feedback.

Thanks

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**Post date:** [January 27, 2015, 9:53pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/what-causes-high-cpu-load-on-es-storage-nodes/21850/2 "2015-01-27T21:53:49Z")

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Indexes are only refreshed when a new document is added.  
Best practices would be to use multiple machines, if you lose that one you  
lose your cluster!

Without knowing more about your cluster stats, you're probably just  
reaching the limits of things, and either need less data, more nodes or  
more heap.

On 28 January 2015 at 02:14, horst knete [baduncle23@hotmail.de](mailto:baduncle23@hotmail.de) wrote:

> Hey guys,
> 
> i´ve been around this "problem" for quite a while, and didnt got a clear  
> answer to it.
> 
> Like many of you guys out there, we are running an es-"cluster" on a  
> single strong server, moving older indices from the fast SSD´s to slow  
> cheap HDD´s (About 25 TB data).
> 
> To make this work we got 3 instances of ES running with the path of  
> indices set to the HDD´s mountpoint and 1 single instance for the  
> indexing/searching SSD´s.
> 
> What makes me wonder all the time is, that even the "Storage"-nodes dont  
> do anything(there is no indexing happening, there is 95% of the time no  
> searching happening, they are just keeping the old indices fresh) the cpu  
> load caused by this "idle" nodes is about 50% from the whole cpu working  
> time.
> 
> hot\_threads: [hot\_treads · GitHub](https://gist.github.com/german23/662732ca4d9dbdcb406b)
> 
> Is it possible that due to ES-Cluster mechanism, all the indexes are keep  
> getting refreshed all the time, when a document is indexed or a search is  
> executed.
> 
> Are there any configuration options to avoid such an behavior?
> 
> Would it be better to export the old indices to an separate ES-Cluster and  
> configure multiple ES-Paths in Kibana?
> 
> Are there any best practices to maintain such cluster?
> 
> I would appreciate any form of feedback.
> 
> Thanks
> 
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**Post date:** [January 28, 2015, 6:32am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/what-causes-high-cpu-load-on-es-storage-nodes/21850/3 "2015-01-28T06:32:39Z")

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Hi,

thx for your response Mark.

It looks like we are getting a second big server for our  
ELK-stack(unfortunately without any more storage, so i really cant create a  
failover cluster yet), but i wonder what role i should give this server in  
our system.

Would it be good to move the whole long term storage to this server and let  
the indexing and pretty much of the kibana searching happen on the existing  
server, or are there any good configuration setups?

I read quite a bit of people that are having an similar setup like us (  
with 1 or 2 big machines ) and would be happy if they can share there  
thoughts with us!.

Thanks guys.

Am Dienstag, 27. Januar 2015 22:54:18 UTC+1 schrieb Mark Walkom:

> Indexes are only refreshed when a new document is added.  
> Best practices would be to use multiple machines, if you lose that one you  
> lose your cluster!
> 
> Without knowing more about your cluster stats, you're probably just  
> reaching the limits of things, and either need less data, more nodes or  
> more heap.
> 
> On 28 January 2015 at 02:14, horst knete \<[badun...@hotmail.de](mailto:badun...@hotmail.de)  
> \<javascript:\>\> wrote:
> 
> > Hey guys,
> > 
> > i´ve been around this "problem" for quite a while, and didnt got a clear  
> > answer to it.
> > 
> > Like many of you guys out there, we are running an es-"cluster" on a  
> > single strong server, moving older indices from the fast SSD´s to slow  
> > cheap HDD´s (About 25 TB data).
> > 
> > To make this work we got 3 instances of ES running with the path of  
> > indices set to the HDD´s mountpoint and 1 single instance for the  
> > indexing/searching SSD´s.
> > 
> > What makes me wonder all the time is, that even the "Storage"-nodes dont  
> > do anything(there is no indexing happening, there is 95% of the time no  
> > searching happening, they are just keeping the old indices fresh) the cpu  
> > load caused by this "idle" nodes is about 50% from the whole cpu working  
> > time.
> > 
> > hot\_threads: [hot\_treads · GitHub](https://gist.github.com/german23/662732ca4d9dbdcb406b)
> > 
> > Is it possible that due to ES-Cluster mechanism, all the indexes are keep  
> > getting refreshed all the time, when a document is indexed or a search is  
> > executed.
> > 
> > Are there any configuration options to avoid such an behavior?
> > 
> > Would it be better to export the old indices to an separate ES-Cluster  
> > and configure multiple ES-Paths in Kibana?
> > 
> > Are there any best practices to maintain such cluster?
> > 
> > I would appreciate any form of feedback.
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
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**Post date:** [January 28, 2015, 9:32am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/what-causes-high-cpu-load-on-es-storage-nodes/21850/4 "2015-01-28T09:32:18Z")

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In most cases, it is a design mistake to place more than one node on a  
single machine in production.

Elasticsearch was not designed for scale-up on "big machines" (it depends  
what you mean by "big"), but for scale-out, i.e. the more nodes you add,  
the better.

"While Elasticsearch can benefit from more-powerful hardware, vertical  
scale has its limits. Real scalability comes from horizontal scale—the  
ability to add more nodes to the cluster and to spread load and reliability  
between them."

See "The Definitive Guide", it is worth a read.

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Another recommendation of mine is to use comparable hardware equipment for  
the machines (CPU, RAM, Disk capacity and performance, network), for ease  
of configuration, balancing load, and server maintenance.

Jörg

On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 7:32 AM, horst knete [baduncle23@hotmail.de](mailto:baduncle23@hotmail.de) wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> thx for your response Mark.
> 
> It looks like we are getting a second big server for our  
> ELK-stack(unfortunately without any more storage, so i really cant create a  
> failover cluster yet), but i wonder what role i should give this server in  
> our system.
> 
> Would it be good to move the whole long term storage to this server and  
> let the indexing and pretty much of the kibana searching happen on the  
> existing server, or are there any good configuration setups?
> 
> I read quite a bit of people that are having an similar setup like us (  
> with 1 or 2 big machines ) and would be happy if they can share there  
> thoughts with us!.
> 
> Thanks guys.
> 
> Am Dienstag, 27. Januar 2015 22:54:18 UTC+1 schrieb Mark Walkom:
> 
> > Indexes are only refreshed when a new document is added.  
> > Best practices would be to use multiple machines, if you lose that one  
> > you lose your cluster!
> > 
> > Without knowing more about your cluster stats, you're probably just  
> > reaching the limits of things, and either need less data, more nodes or  
> > more heap.
> > 
> > On 28 January 2015 at 02:14, horst knete [badun...@hotmail.de](mailto:badun...@hotmail.de) wrote:
> > 
> > > Hey guys,
> > > 
> > > i´ve been around this "problem" for quite a while, and didnt got a clear  
> > > answer to it.
> > > 
> > > Like many of you guys out there, we are running an es-"cluster" on a  
> > > single strong server, moving older indices from the fast SSD´s to slow  
> > > cheap HDD´s (About 25 TB data).
> > > 
> > > To make this work we got 3 instances of ES running with the path of  
> > > indices set to the HDD´s mountpoint and 1 single instance for the  
> > > indexing/searching SSD´s.
> > > 
> > > What makes me wonder all the time is, that even the "Storage"-nodes dont  
> > > do anything(there is no indexing happening, there is 95% of the time no  
> > > searching happening, they are just keeping the old indices fresh) the cpu  
> > > load caused by this "idle" nodes is about 50% from the whole cpu working  
> > > time.
> > > 
> > > hot\_threads: [hot\_treads · GitHub](https://gist.github.com/german23/662732ca4d9dbdcb406b)
> > > 
> > > Is it possible that due to ES-Cluster mechanism, all the indexes are  
> > > keep getting refreshed all the time, when a document is indexed or a search  
> > > is executed.
> > > 
> > > Are there any configuration options to avoid such an behavior?
> > > 
> > > Would it be better to export the old indices to an separate ES-Cluster  
> > > and configure multiple ES-Paths in Kibana?
> > > 
> > > Are there any best practices to maintain such cluster?
> > > 
> > > I would appreciate any form of feedback.
> > > 
> > > Thanks
> > > 
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**Post date:** [January 28, 2015, 12:59pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/what-causes-high-cpu-load-on-es-storage-nodes/21850/5 "2015-01-28T12:59:56Z")

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Hi,

thanks for this excellent answer jörg, i really appreciate it.

It is true that our concept of ES is not ideal or how the developer  
designed ES to be.

Although i try to make the best out of the hardware that i have available,  
so im going to merge all the instances of ES that take care of the "old"  
indices to one and move it to the new "big" (big means 64 CPUs, 256 GB RAM  
in my context) server so that they have all the CPU power for garbage  
collection and searching available.

What also could be an idea is to install an hypervisor on the server and  
make 4-5 virtual machines out of it and build an "real", loadbalancing  
ES-Cluster - anyone got thoughts on this idea?

Thanks so far,

Am Mittwoch, 28. Januar 2015 10:32:32 UTC+1 schrieb Jörg Prante:

> In most cases, it is a design mistake to place more than one node on a  
> single machine in production.
> 
> Elasticsearch was not designed for scale-up on "big machines" (it depends  
> what you mean by "big"), but for scale-out, i.e. the more nodes you add,  
> the better.
> 
> "While Elasticsearch can benefit from more-powerful hardware, vertical  
> scale has its limits. Real scalability comes from horizontal scale—the  
> ability to add more nodes to the cluster and to spread load and reliability  
> between them."
> 
> See "The Definitive Guide", it is worth a read.
> 
> [Elasticsearch Platform — Find real-time answers at scale | Elastic](http://www.elasticsearch.org/guide/en/elasticsearch/guide/current/distributed-cluster.html)
> 
> [Elasticsearch Platform — Find real-time answers at scale | Elastic](http://www.elasticsearch.org/guide/en/elasticsearch/guide/current/_scale_horizontally.html)
> 
> Another recommendation of mine is to use comparable hardware equipment for  
> the machines (CPU, RAM, Disk capacity and performance, network), for ease  
> of configuration, balancing load, and server maintenance.
> 
> Jörg
> 
> On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 7:32 AM, horst knete \<[badun...@hotmail.de](mailto:badun...@hotmail.de)  
> \<javascript:\>\> wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > thx for your response Mark.
> > 
> > It looks like we are getting a second big server for our  
> > ELK-stack(unfortunately without any more storage, so i really cant create a  
> > failover cluster yet), but i wonder what role i should give this server in  
> > our system.
> > 
> > Would it be good to move the whole long term storage to this server and  
> > let the indexing and pretty much of the kibana searching happen on the  
> > existing server, or are there any good configuration setups?
> > 
> > I read quite a bit of people that are having an similar setup like us (  
> > with 1 or 2 big machines ) and would be happy if they can share there  
> > thoughts with us!.
> > 
> > Thanks guys.
> > 
> > Am Dienstag, 27. Januar 2015 22:54:18 UTC+1 schrieb Mark Walkom:
> > 
> > > Indexes are only refreshed when a new document is added.  
> > > Best practices would be to use multiple machines, if you lose that one  
> > > you lose your cluster!
> > > 
> > > Without knowing more about your cluster stats, you're probably just  
> > > reaching the limits of things, and either need less data, more nodes or  
> > > more heap.
> > > 
> > > On 28 January 2015 at 02:14, horst knete [badun...@hotmail.de](mailto:badun...@hotmail.de) wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Hey guys,
> > > > 
> > > > i´ve been around this "problem" for quite a while, and didnt got a  
> > > > clear answer to it.
> > > > 
> > > > Like many of you guys out there, we are running an es-"cluster" on a  
> > > > single strong server, moving older indices from the fast SSD´s to slow  
> > > > cheap HDD´s (About 25 TB data).
> > > > 
> > > > To make this work we got 3 instances of ES running with the path of  
> > > > indices set to the HDD´s mountpoint and 1 single instance for the  
> > > > indexing/searching SSD´s.
> > > > 
> > > > What makes me wonder all the time is, that even the "Storage"-nodes  
> > > > dont do anything(there is no indexing happening, there is 95% of the time  
> > > > no searching happening, they are just keeping the old indices fresh) the  
> > > > cpu load caused by this "idle" nodes is about 50% from the whole cpu  
> > > > working time.
> > > > 
> > > > hot\_threads: [hot\_treads · GitHub](https://gist.github.com/german23/662732ca4d9dbdcb406b)
> > > > 
> > > > Is it possible that due to ES-Cluster mechanism, all the indexes are  
> > > > keep getting refreshed all the time, when a document is indexed or a search  
> > > > is executed.
> > > > 
> > > > Are there any configuration options to avoid such an behavior?
> > > > 
> > > > Would it be better to export the old indices to an separate ES-Cluster  
> > > > and configure multiple ES-Paths in Kibana?
> > > > 
> > > > Are there any best practices to maintain such cluster?
> > > > 
> > > > I would appreciate any form of feedback.
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks
> > > > 
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**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/original/3X/1/a/1ac57faf039f6b580b3f104ef42a2a89e41014de.png) [@system](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/system)\
**Post date:** [July 6, 2017, 12:36am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/what-causes-high-cpu-load-on-es-storage-nodes/21850/6 "2017-07-06T00:36:11Z")

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