# What permissions do I need to manage indices where I am allowed via kibana?

**URL:** <https://discuss.elastic.co/t/what-permissions-do-i-need-to-manage-indices-where-i-am-allowed-via-kibana/229349>\
**Category:** Kibana\
**Tags:** elastic-stack-security\
**Created:** [April 22, 2020, 8:22pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/what-permissions-do-i-need-to-manage-indices-where-i-am-allowed-via-kibana/229349 "2020-04-22T20:22:04Z")\
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**Author:** ![asp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@asp](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/asp)\
**Post date:** [April 22, 2020, 8:22pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/what-permissions-do-i-need-to-manage-indices-where-i-am-allowed-via-kibana/229349/1 "2020-04-22T20:22:04Z")

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Hi,

I am trying out security with basic xpack.

I have a user who has **all** privilleges on index `myindex-*`.  
Now I want to enable the user to manage the indices he / she is allowed to via kibana gui, but he / she should not mess up with index templates. Primarily the user should be able to delete e.g. myindex-mytest-01 via GUI.

 ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/original/3X/3/1/313aba8d9420f7771883db12bdbebcda2b368c75.png)

Seems if I need cluster role manage to enable Index Management, but then Index-Templates can be touched to.  
Is it possible to grant only the Indices tab? How?

Thanks, Andreas

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**Author:** ![wylie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/wylie/32/81794_2.png) [@wylie](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/wylie)\
**Post date:** [April 23, 2020, 3:05pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/what-permissions-do-i-need-to-manage-indices-where-i-am-allowed-via-kibana/229349/2 "2020-04-23T15:05:48Z")

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The Kibana management app doesn't support the level of granular control as Elasticsearch index privileges: If you don't want this use to manage templates, then you should not assign the `all` privilege. I think you want `manage_index_templates` to be excluded. The full list is here:

[https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/elasticsearch/reference/current/security-privileges.html](https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/elasticsearch/reference/current/security-privileges.html)

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**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/original/3X/1/a/1ac57faf039f6b580b3f104ef42a2a89e41014de.png) [@system](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/system)\
**Post date:** [May 21, 2020, 3:05pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/what-permissions-do-i-need-to-manage-indices-where-i-am-allowed-via-kibana/229349/3 "2020-05-21T15:05:56Z")

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