# What roles are needed for a user to create, write, & delete watchers? **URL:** \ **Category:** Elasticsearch\ **Tags:** elastic-stack-alerting\ **Created:** [November 4, 2019, 4:37pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/what-roles-are-needed-for-a-user-to-create-write-delete-watchers/206440 "2019-11-04T16:37:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Matt\_McGovern](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/matt_mcgovern/32/90131_2.png) [@Matt\_McGovern](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/Matt_McGovern)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 4:37pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/what-roles-are-needed-for-a-user-to-create-write-delete-watchers/206440/1 "2019-11-04T16:37:22Z")
We have a user defined for this purpose which has the watcher\_admin role, but when we do a put to create a watcher we get the error msg: cluster:admin/script/put is unauthorized for this user. If the watcher\_admin role is not sufficient, what else do we need? ---
**Author:** ![spinscale](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/spinscale/32/25011_2.png) [@spinscale](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/spinscale)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 5:28pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/what-roles-are-needed-for-a-user-to-create-write-delete-watchers/206440/2 "2019-11-04T17:28:11Z")
which Elasticsearch version are you on. Can you share the command you are using to store the watch? ---
**Author:** ![Matt\_McGovern](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/matt_mcgovern/32/90131_2.png) [@Matt\_McGovern](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/Matt_McGovern)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 6:39pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/what-roles-are-needed-for-a-user-to-create-write-delete-watchers/206440/3 "2019-11-04T18:39:53Z")
Below are 2 curl commands that we use frequently, deleting and creating. In this case, I’m trying to create a stored script instead of a watcher. This is what is giving us the error. curl --user user:password --request DELETE "[https://es.prod.business.comcast.com:443/\_scripts/getTopKeyValuesByCondition](https://es.prod.business.comcast.com:443/_scripts/getTopKeyValuesByCondition)" --cacert certfile.crt curl --user user:password --header "Content-Type: application/json" --request POST "[https://es.prod.business.comcast.com:443/\_scripts/getTopKeyValuesByCondition](https://es.prod.business.comcast.com:443/_scripts/getTopKeyValuesByCondition)" --data-ascii "@curlstoredscript\_getTopKeyValuesByCondition.json" --cacert certfile.crt ---
**Author:** ![spinscale](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/spinscale/32/25011_2.png) [@spinscale](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/spinscale)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2019, 9:30am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/what-roles-are-needed-for-a-user-to-create-write-delete-watchers/206440/4 "2019-11-05T09:30:50Z")
if you want to store scripts, you need that particular privilege as well. On top of my head this is part of the `manage` cluster privilege. I think it might make sense to allow storing/deleting/getting script as part of `manage_watcher`. I will open an issue for this. ---
**Author:** ![Matt\_McGovern](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/matt_mcgovern/32/90131_2.png) [@Matt\_McGovern](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/Matt_McGovern)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2019, 7:23pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/what-roles-are-needed-for-a-user-to-create-write-delete-watchers/206440/5 "2019-11-06T19:23:06Z")
Thank you! ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/original/3X/1/a/1ac57faf039f6b580b3f104ef42a2a89e41014de.png) [@system](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/system)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2019, 7:23pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/what-roles-are-needed-for-a-user-to-create-write-delete-watchers/206440/6 "2019-12-04T19:23:07Z")
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