# X-pack security with tribe node? **URL:** \ **Category:** Elasticsearch\ **Created:** [March 16, 2017, 7:34am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/x-pack-security-with-tribe-node/78803 "2017-03-16T07:34:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![YuWatanabe](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/yuwatanabe/32/13259_2.png) [@YuWatanabe](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/YuWatanabe)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2017, 7:34am UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/x-pack-security-with-tribe-node/78803/1 "2017-03-16T07:34:55Z")
Hello I have a customer who will be using tribe node and also required to use x-pack security for role based management to separate the index access permission between teams. Looking at the latest kibana [document](https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/kibana/current/tribe.html#tribe-limitations) , it seems that x-pack security is not available in 5.2.2. > Due to the ambiguity of which cluster is being used, certain features are disabled in Kibana: > Console > Managing users and roles with the x-pack plugin Should I understand above explanation as , x-pack security + tribe node is completely not available or it is possible to use with work around ? ---
**Author:** ![Brandon\_Kobel](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/brandon_kobel/32/14829_2.png) [@Brandon\_Kobel](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/Brandon_Kobel)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2017, 3:35pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/x-pack-security-with-tribe-node/78803/2 "2017-03-16T15:35:38Z")
@YuWatanabe x-pack security works with tribe nodes, you just won't be able to manage the users/roles via Kibana and you'll have to do so directly against the clusters. ---
**Author:** ![YuWatanabe](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/yuwatanabe/32/13259_2.png) [@YuWatanabe](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/YuWatanabe)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2017, 10:23pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/x-pack-security-with-tribe-node/78803/3 "2017-03-16T22:23:51Z")
@Brandon_Kobel Thanks for the reply. Glad that it works, however, I dont think IT administrators without scripting skills are not comfortable with curl commands. Thus , I think it will be really cool if user/roles management is available in UI for tribe node environment as well as non tribe node environment ? Is there any plan to implement user/roles management via Kibana in later releases in cases which kibana is deployed with tribe node ? ---
**Author:** ![Brandon\_Kobel](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/brandon_kobel/32/14829_2.png) [@Brandon\_Kobel](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/Brandon_Kobel)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2017, 4:17pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/x-pack-security-with-tribe-node/78803/4 "2017-03-17T16:17:53Z")
@YuWatanabe I completely agree, and it's something that we intend to add in the future; however, we don't have any definitive plans to when this will be available. ---
**Author:** ![YuWatanabe](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/user_avatar/discuss.elastic.co/yuwatanabe/32/13259_2.png) [@YuWatanabe](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/YuWatanabe)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2017, 11:03pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/x-pack-security-with-tribe-node/78803/5 "2017-03-17T23:03:13Z")
@Brandon_Kobel That is awsome! Looking to here updates from Elastic when this enhancement is put into the roadmap. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/elastic/original/3X/1/a/1ac57faf039f6b580b3f104ef42a2a89e41014de.png) [@system](https://discuss.elastic.co/u/system)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2017, 11:03pm UTC](https://discuss.elastic.co/t/x-pack-security-with-tribe-node/78803/6 "2017-04-14T23:03:38Z")
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