Elastic Defend - Is default logging on the endpoint enough?

h49nakxs · November 2, 2023, 1:44pm

Hello,

If I use "Elastic Defend" integration, will all the Elastic Security detection rules get enough information to be triggered or do I need to enhance the logging on the endpoints (for example with Sysmon on Windows and auditd on Linux) ?

My question specifically apply to endpoints using Windows or Linux.

Thanks !

Jonhnathan · November 3, 2023, 2:48pm

Hey @h49nakxs,

Our Detection rules use different data sources, some exclusively use Defend, others Auditbeat or Sysmon, but this must be checked in a per rule basis to evaluate whether or not is beneficial for you (and also possible performance-wise) collect additional data.

Generally, to know which data sources are needed to trigger the rule, you can refer to:

Data Source Tags
- Such as "Data Source: Elastic Endgame", "Data Source: Elastic Defend", "Data Source: Sysmon Only", etc
Related Integrations
- E.g. windows, auditd_manager, elastic defend, etc

We are also working in setup guides that could answer this question in a per rule basis. These can be accessed in the Setup section of the rule details:

h49nakxs · November 14, 2023, 9:27am

Hello,

Thanks a lot for your reply !

Would you say that the data source list is exhaustive for every rule ?

Because this is not the impression I have. For example, the rule :

github.com

elastic/detection-rules/blob/main/rules/linux/defense_evasion_clear_kernel_ring_buffer.toml

[metadata]
creation_date = "2023/10/24"
integration = ["endpoint"]
maturity = "production"
min_stack_comments = "New fields added: required_fields, related_integrations, setup"
min_stack_version = "8.3.0"
updated_date = "2023/11/02"

[rule]
author = ["Elastic"]
description = """
Monitors for the deletion of the kernel ring buffer events through dmesg. Attackers may clear kernel ring buffer events
to evade detection after installing a Linux kernel module (LKM).
"""
from = "now-9m"
index = ["logs-endpoint.events.*"]
language = "eql"
license = "Elastic License v2"
name = "Attempt to Clear Kernel Ring Buffer"
risk_score = 21

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seems pretty feasible with data coming from auditbeat, even if it's not listed in the data source.

Most importantly, what are your criteria to include / exclude data source ? For example, is there a list of fields that are exclusive to one or the other data source ?

system · December 12, 2023, 9:28am

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Elastic Defend - Is default logging on the endpoint enough?

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