Dealing with spam in this forum

Hi all

Recently we've had a few spam emails that have made it through Google's
filters, and there have been a calls for us to change to a
moderate-first-post policy. I am reluctant to adopt this policy for the
following reasons:

We get about 30 new users every day from all over the world, many of whom
are early in their learning phase and are quite stuck - they need help as
soon as possible. Fortunately this list is very active and helpful. In
contrast, we've only ever banned 34 users from the list for spamming. So
making new users wait for timezones to swing their way feels like a heavy
handed solution to a small problem. Yes, spammers are annoying but they are
a small minority on this list.

Instead, we have asked 10 of our long standing members to help us with
banning spammers. This way we have Spam Guardians active around the globe,
who only need to do something if a spammer raises their ugly head above the
parapet. One or two spam emails may get through, but hopefully somebody
will leap into action and stop their activity before it becomes too
tiresome.

This isn't an exclusive list. If you would like to be on it, feel free to
email me. Note: I expect you to be a long standing and currently active
member of this list to be included.

If this solution doesn't solve the problem, then we can reconsider
moderate-first-post, but we've managed to go 5 years without requiring it,
and I'd prefer to keep things as easy as possible for new users.

Clint

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Can you make this post "sticky"?

On Tuesday, July 1, 2014 2:36:44 PM UTC-4, Clinton Gormley wrote:

Hi all

Recently we've had a few spam emails that have made it through Google's
filters, and there have been a calls for us to change to a
moderate-first-post policy. I am reluctant to adopt this policy for the
following reasons:

We get about 30 new users every day from all over the world, many of whom
are early in their learning phase and are quite stuck - they need help as
soon as possible. Fortunately this list is very active and helpful. In
contrast, we've only ever banned 34 users from the list for spamming. So
making new users wait for timezones to swing their way feels like a heavy
handed solution to a small problem. Yes, spammers are annoying but they are
a small minority on this list.

Instead, we have asked 10 of our long standing members to help us with
banning spammers. This way we have Spam Guardians active around the globe,
who only need to do something if a spammer raises their ugly head above the
parapet. One or two spam emails may get through, but hopefully somebody
will leap into action and stop their activity before it becomes too
tiresome.

This isn't an exclusive list. If you would like to be on it, feel free to
email me. Note: I expect you to be a long standing and currently active
member of this list to be included.

If this solution doesn't solve the problem, then we can reconsider
moderate-first-post, but we've managed to go 5 years without requiring it,
and I'd prefer to keep things as easy as possible for new users.

Clint

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Hi, Clinton --

May I suggest:

  • Some users (e.g., me) who read this list via an email subscription regard
    ANY spam on the list as an unacceptable state of affairs. This is not a
    problem with Apache lists, for example, so I would point the finger of
    blame at Google Groups.

  • Having N longstanding members who are willing to help ban spammers is
    equivalent to having N longstanding members who are willing to quickly
    admit new users. (And you're welcome to add me as N+1.)

  • Banning is ineffective. Spammers will continuously sign up with new
    accounts.

-- Paul


prb@mult.ifario.us | Multifarious, Inc. | http://mult.ifario.us/

On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Clinton Gormley <
clinton.gormley@elasticsearch.com> wrote:

Hi all

Recently we've had a few spam emails that have made it through Google's
filters, and there have been a calls for us to change to a
moderate-first-post policy. I am reluctant to adopt this policy for the
following reasons:

We get about 30 new users every day from all over the world, many of whom
are early in their learning phase and are quite stuck - they need help as
soon as possible. Fortunately this list is very active and helpful. In
contrast, we've only ever banned 34 users from the list for spamming. So
making new users wait for timezones to swing their way feels like a heavy
handed solution to a small problem. Yes, spammers are annoying but they are
a small minority on this list.

Instead, we have asked 10 of our long standing members to help us with
banning spammers. This way we have Spam Guardians active around the globe,
who only need to do something if a spammer raises their ugly head above the
parapet. One or two spam emails may get through, but hopefully somebody
will leap into action and stop their activity before it becomes too
tiresome.

This isn't an exclusive list. If you would like to be on it, feel free to
email me. Note: I expect you to be a long standing and currently active
member of this list to be included.

If this solution doesn't solve the problem, then we can reconsider
moderate-first-post, but we've managed to go 5 years without requiring it,
and I'd prefer to keep things as easy as possible for new users.

Clint

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Hi,

I do agree with Paul, 200%.
I've received in my mailbox at least 49 spams just for the 06/30. I won't call this "a few spam email". I'm subscribed for years on many mailing lists, and I'm pretty sure that it would take years to get as much spam on those lists as I get in 1 day on ES mailing list.

On 2 juil. 2014, at 08:18, Paul Brown prb@mult.ifario.us wrote:

Hi, Clinton --

May I suggest:

  • Some users (e.g., me) who read this list via an email subscription regard
    ANY spam on the list as an unacceptable state of affairs. This is not a
    problem with Apache lists, for example, so I would point the finger of
    blame at Google Groups.

  • Having N longstanding members who are willing to help ban spammers is
    equivalent to having N longstanding members who are willing to quickly
    admit new users. (And you're welcome to add me as N+1.)

  • Banning is ineffective. Spammers will continuously sign up with new
    accounts.

-- Paul

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On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Clinton Gormley <
clinton.gormley@elasticsearch.com> wrote:

Hi all

Recently we've had a few spam emails that have made it through Google's
filters, and there have been a calls for us to change to a
moderate-first-post policy. I am reluctant to adopt this policy for the
following reasons:

We get about 30 new users every day from all over the world, many of whom
are early in their learning phase and are quite stuck - they need help as
soon as possible. Fortunately this list is very active and helpful. In
contrast, we've only ever banned 34 users from the list for spamming. So
making new users wait for timezones to swing their way feels like a heavy
handed solution to a small problem. Yes, spammers are annoying but they are
a small minority on this list.

Instead, we have asked 10 of our long standing members to help us with
banning spammers. This way we have Spam Guardians active around the globe,
who only need to do something if a spammer raises their ugly head above the
parapet. One or two spam emails may get through, but hopefully somebody
will leap into action and stop their activity before it becomes too
tiresome.

This isn't an exclusive list. If you would like to be on it, feel free to
email me. Note: I expect you to be a long standing and currently active
member of this list to be included.

If this solution doesn't solve the problem, then we can reconsider
moderate-first-post, but we've managed to go 5 years without requiring it,
and I'd prefer to keep things as easy as possible for new users.

Clint

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I've received in my mailbox at least 49 spams just for the 06/30. I won't
call this "a few spam email". I'm subscribed for years on many mailing
lists, and I'm pretty sure that it would take years to get as much spam on
those lists as I get in 1 day on ES mailing list.

That's interesting... I'd only seen three spam emails, so I wondered where
you got 49 from. I read the posts from my gmail account, so then I checked
my spam folder and sure enough there were a lot more emails in there that I
was unaware of.

I'm going to disable my spam filter for this group so that I get more
visibility, and I'd ask other moderators to do the same.

Let's see how it goes for a while longer. We can always revisit this
decision later on.

clint

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I fall on the side of caring less about spam emails (since I have decent
spam filter on my email) and would rate easy access to the group much
higher.
I tend to add/remove myself from groups all the time - so adding a delay to
adding myself to a group with be a big PITA for me.

-M

On Wednesday, 2 July 2014 11:34:05 UTC+1, Clinton Gormley wrote:

I've received in my mailbox at least 49 spams just for the 06/30. I won't

call this "a few spam email". I'm subscribed for years on many mailing
lists, and I'm pretty sure that it would take years to get as much spam on
those lists as I get in 1 day on ES mailing list.

That's interesting... I'd only seen three spam emails, so I wondered where
you got 49 from. I read the posts from my gmail account, so then I checked
my spam folder and sure enough there were a lot more emails in there that I
was unaware of.

I'm going to disable my spam filter for this group so that I get more
visibility, and I'd ask other moderators to do the same.

Let's see how it goes for a while longer. We can always revisit this
decision later on.

clint

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The behavior in my gmail-operated spam filter has been to toss out
lots of emails from this list as false positives. So, I keep sending
them back to my in box; pretty soon, gmail asks me to forward the good
ones to them to study, so I do. The result of that is that they catch
NONE of those spams. They also don't put enough information in the
header to allow me to see if all those spams come from the same IP
address. Otherwise, it might be possible for the group list to block
certain IP addresses.

On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 3:34 AM, Clinton Gormley clint@traveljury.com wrote:

I've received in my mailbox at least 49 spams just for the 06/30. I won't
call this "a few spam email". I'm subscribed for years on many mailing
lists, and I'm pretty sure that it would take years to get as much spam on
those lists as I get in 1 day on ES mailing list.

That's interesting... I'd only seen three spam emails, so I wondered where
you got 49 from. I read the posts from my gmail account, so then I checked
my spam folder and sure enough there were a lot more emails in there that I
was unaware of.

I'm going to disable my spam filter for this group so that I get more
visibility, and I'd ask other moderators to do the same.

Let's see how it goes for a while longer. We can always revisit this
decision later on.

clint

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One help, i am new user to elastic search ..like to know the recommended
java version for the elastic search 1.1.0

On Tuesday, July 1, 2014 1:36:44 PM UTC-5, Clinton Gormley wrote:

Hi all

Recently we've had a few spam emails that have made it through Google's
filters, and there have been a calls for us to change to a
moderate-first-post policy. I am reluctant to adopt this policy for the
following reasons:

We get about 30 new users every day from all over the world, many of whom
are early in their learning phase and are quite stuck - they need help as
soon as possible. Fortunately this list is very active and helpful. In
contrast, we've only ever banned 34 users from the list for spamming. So
making new users wait for timezones to swing their way feels like a heavy
handed solution to a small problem. Yes, spammers are annoying but they are
a small minority on this list.

Instead, we have asked 10 of our long standing members to help us with
banning spammers. This way we have Spam Guardians active around the globe,
who only need to do something if a spammer raises their ugly head above the
parapet. One or two spam emails may get through, but hopefully somebody
will leap into action and stop their activity before it becomes too
tiresome.

This isn't an exclusive list. If you would like to be on it, feel free to
email me. Note: I expect you to be a long standing and currently active
member of this list to be included.

If this solution doesn't solve the problem, then we can reconsider
moderate-first-post, but we've managed to go 5 years without requiring it,
and I'd prefer to keep things as easy as possible for new users.

Clint

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You're better off starting a new thread around this :slight_smile:

(But take a look here
http://www.elasticsearch.org/guide/en/elasticsearch/reference/current/setup.html
)

Regards,
Mark Walkom

Infrastructure Engineer
Campaign Monitor
email: markw@campaignmonitor.com
web: www.campaignmonitor.com

On 25 July 2014 04:01, Sudhakar Chokkalingam kcs.sudhakar@gmail.com wrote:

One help, i am new user to elastic search ..like to know the recommended
java version for the elastic search 1.1.0

On Tuesday, July 1, 2014 1:36:44 PM UTC-5, Clinton Gormley wrote:

Hi all

Recently we've had a few spam emails that have made it through Google's
filters, and there have been a calls for us to change to a
moderate-first-post policy. I am reluctant to adopt this policy for the
following reasons:

We get about 30 new users every day from all over the world, many of whom
are early in their learning phase and are quite stuck - they need help as
soon as possible. Fortunately this list is very active and helpful. In
contrast, we've only ever banned 34 users from the list for spamming. So
making new users wait for timezones to swing their way feels like a heavy
handed solution to a small problem. Yes, spammers are annoying but they are
a small minority on this list.

Instead, we have asked 10 of our long standing members to help us with
banning spammers. This way we have Spam Guardians active around the globe,
who only need to do something if a spammer raises their ugly head above the
parapet. One or two spam emails may get through, but hopefully somebody
will leap into action and stop their activity before it becomes too
tiresome.

This isn't an exclusive list. If you would like to be on it, feel free to
email me. Note: I expect you to be a long standing and currently active
member of this list to be included.

If this solution doesn't solve the problem, then we can reconsider
moderate-first-post, but we've managed to go 5 years without requiring it,
and I'd prefer to keep things as easy as possible for new users.

Clint

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I just deleted a couple of non-related job postings and banned the poster.

Going forward, is there a consensus among the community about whether or
not job postings should be allowed? I do not mind postings that come
directly from companies, especially those whose existing developers are
already part of the community. Recruiters on the other hand perhaps should
not allowed. Of course, the job postings must be Elasticsearch related, and
not simply a buzzword in the overall tech stack.

This mailing list has not seen any yet, but they will appear eventually.

Thoughts?

Ivan

On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Mark Walkom markw@campaignmonitor.com
wrote:

You're better off starting a new thread around this :slight_smile:

(But take a look here
http://www.elasticsearch.org/guide/en/elasticsearch/reference/current/setup.html
)

Regards,
Mark Walkom

Infrastructure Engineer
Campaign Monitor
email: markw@campaignmonitor.com
web: www.campaignmonitor.com

On 25 July 2014 04:01, Sudhakar Chokkalingam kcs.sudhakar@gmail.com
wrote:

One help, i am new user to elastic search ..like to know the recommended
java version for the elastic search 1.1.0

On Tuesday, July 1, 2014 1:36:44 PM UTC-5, Clinton Gormley wrote:

Hi all

Recently we've had a few spam emails that have made it through Google's
filters, and there have been a calls for us to change to a
moderate-first-post policy. I am reluctant to adopt this policy for the
following reasons:

We get about 30 new users every day from all over the world, many of
whom are early in their learning phase and are quite stuck - they need help
as soon as possible. Fortunately this list is very active and helpful. In
contrast, we've only ever banned 34 users from the list for spamming. So
making new users wait for timezones to swing their way feels like a heavy
handed solution to a small problem. Yes, spammers are annoying but they are
a small minority on this list.

Instead, we have asked 10 of our long standing members to help us with
banning spammers. This way we have Spam Guardians active around the globe,
who only need to do something if a spammer raises their ugly head above the
parapet. One or two spam emails may get through, but hopefully somebody
will leap into action and stop their activity before it becomes too
tiresome.

This isn't an exclusive list. If you would like to be on it, feel free
to email me. Note: I expect you to be a long standing and currently active
member of this list to be included.

If this solution doesn't solve the problem, then we can reconsider
moderate-first-post, but we've managed to go 5 years without requiring it,
and I'd prefer to keep things as easy as possible for new users.

Clint

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Ivan,

I would not care much if the frequency is low but I think Elasticsearch
Linkedin group (
https://www.linkedin.com/groups?home=&gid=3393294&trk=anet_ug_hm) could be
more logical target for job postings.

Lukas

On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 8:54 PM, Ivan Brusic ivan@brusic.com wrote:

I just deleted a couple of non-related job postings and banned the poster.

Going forward, is there a consensus among the community about whether or
not job postings should be allowed? I do not mind postings that come
directly from companies, especially those whose existing developers are
already part of the community. Recruiters on the other hand perhaps should
not allowed. Of course, the job postings must be Elasticsearch related, and
not simply a buzzword in the overall tech stack.

This mailing list has not seen any yet, but they will appear eventually.

Thoughts?

Ivan

On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Mark Walkom markw@campaignmonitor.com
wrote:

You're better off starting a new thread around this :slight_smile:

(But take a look here
http://www.elasticsearch.org/guide/en/elasticsearch/reference/current/setup.html
)

Regards,
Mark Walkom

Infrastructure Engineer
Campaign Monitor
email: markw@campaignmonitor.com
web: www.campaignmonitor.com

On 25 July 2014 04:01, Sudhakar Chokkalingam kcs.sudhakar@gmail.com
wrote:

One help, i am new user to elastic search ..like to know the recommended
java version for the elastic search 1.1.0

On Tuesday, July 1, 2014 1:36:44 PM UTC-5, Clinton Gormley wrote:

Hi all

Recently we've had a few spam emails that have made it through Google's
filters, and there have been a calls for us to change to a
moderate-first-post policy. I am reluctant to adopt this policy for the
following reasons:

We get about 30 new users every day from all over the world, many of
whom are early in their learning phase and are quite stuck - they need help
as soon as possible. Fortunately this list is very active and helpful. In
contrast, we've only ever banned 34 users from the list for spamming. So
making new users wait for timezones to swing their way feels like a heavy
handed solution to a small problem. Yes, spammers are annoying but they are
a small minority on this list.

Instead, we have asked 10 of our long standing members to help us with
banning spammers. This way we have Spam Guardians active around the globe,
who only need to do something if a spammer raises their ugly head above the
parapet. One or two spam emails may get through, but hopefully somebody
will leap into action and stop their activity before it becomes too
tiresome.

This isn't an exclusive list. If you would like to be on it, feel free
to email me. Note: I expect you to be a long standing and currently active
member of this list to be included.

If this solution doesn't solve the problem, then we can reconsider
moderate-first-post, but we've managed to go 5 years without requiring it,
and I'd prefer to keep things as easy as possible for new users.

Clint

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I agree with Ivan and Lukas, though recruiters with ES related jobs should
be ok as long as it's not a generic BCC like the ones Ivan deleted.

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On 2 August 2014 05:05, Lukáš Vlček lukas.vlcek@gmail.com wrote:

Ivan,

I would not care much if the frequency is low but I think Elasticsearch
Linkedin group (
https://www.linkedin.com/groups?home=&gid=3393294&trk=anet_ug_hm) could
be more logical target for job postings.

Lukas

On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 8:54 PM, Ivan Brusic ivan@brusic.com wrote:

I just deleted a couple of non-related job postings and banned the poster.

Going forward, is there a consensus among the community about whether or
not job postings should be allowed? I do not mind postings that come
directly from companies, especially those whose existing developers are
already part of the community. Recruiters on the other hand perhaps should
not allowed. Of course, the job postings must be Elasticsearch related, and
not simply a buzzword in the overall tech stack.

This mailing list has not seen any yet, but they will appear eventually.

Thoughts?

Ivan

On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Mark Walkom markw@campaignmonitor.com
wrote:

You're better off starting a new thread around this :slight_smile:

(But take a look here
http://www.elasticsearch.org/guide/en/elasticsearch/reference/current/setup.html
)

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Mark Walkom

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On 25 July 2014 04:01, Sudhakar Chokkalingam kcs.sudhakar@gmail.com
wrote:

One help, i am new user to elastic search ..like to know the
recommended java version for the elastic search 1.1.0

On Tuesday, July 1, 2014 1:36:44 PM UTC-5, Clinton Gormley wrote:

Hi all

Recently we've had a few spam emails that have made it through
Google's filters, and there have been a calls for us to change to a
moderate-first-post policy. I am reluctant to adopt this policy for the
following reasons:

We get about 30 new users every day from all over the world, many of
whom are early in their learning phase and are quite stuck - they need help
as soon as possible. Fortunately this list is very active and helpful. In
contrast, we've only ever banned 34 users from the list for spamming. So
making new users wait for timezones to swing their way feels like a heavy
handed solution to a small problem. Yes, spammers are annoying but they are
a small minority on this list.

Instead, we have asked 10 of our long standing members to help us with
banning spammers. This way we have Spam Guardians active around the globe,
who only need to do something if a spammer raises their ugly head above the
parapet. One or two spam emails may get through, but hopefully somebody
will leap into action and stop their activity before it becomes too
tiresome.

This isn't an exclusive list. If you would like to be on it, feel free
to email me. Note: I expect you to be a long standing and currently active
member of this list to be included.

If this solution doesn't solve the problem, then we can reconsider
moderate-first-post, but we've managed to go 5 years without requiring it,
and I'd prefer to keep things as easy as possible for new users.

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The first post should be approved .

On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 2:36:44 AM UTC+8, Clinton Gormley wrote:

Hi all

Recently we've had a few spam emails that have made it through Google's
filters, and there have been a calls for us to change to a
moderate-first-post policy. I am reluctant to adopt this policy for the
following reasons:

We get about 30 new users every day from all over the world, many of whom
are early in their learning phase and are quite stuck - they need help as
soon as possible. Fortunately this list is very active and helpful. In
contrast, we've only ever banned 34 users from the list for spamming. So
making new users wait for timezones to swing their way feels like a heavy
handed solution to a small problem. Yes, spammers are annoying but they are
a small minority on this list.

Instead, we have asked 10 of our long standing members to help us with
banning spammers. This way we have Spam Guardians active around the globe,
who only need to do something if a spammer raises their ugly head above the
parapet. One or two spam emails may get through, but hopefully somebody
will leap into action and stop their activity before it becomes too
tiresome.

This isn't an exclusive list. If you would like to be on it, feel free to
email me. Note: I expect you to be a long standing and currently active
member of this list to be included.

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and I'd prefer to keep things as easy as possible for new users.

Clint

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Hi,

What is the current policy on this?

I just tried creating 2 new posts ... they showed up for awhile ... and
then disappeared. I thought that it could be because I did inline pictures
... so I tried reposting and got the same result.

Not sure if they're in a "to be moderated" bucket ... or googles spam
filter just deleted them.

The posts had these subjects:

  • What is a reasonable number of evictions for filter_cache and fielddata?
  • Are long queues in management threadpool a problem?

Thanks,
Gavin

On Tuesday, December 2, 2014 at 4:56:54 AM UTC-5, nodexy wrote:

The first post should be approved .

On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 2:36:44 AM UTC+8, Clinton Gormley wrote:

Hi all

Recently we've had a few spam emails that have made it through Google's
filters, and there have been a calls for us to change to a
moderate-first-post policy. I am reluctant to adopt this policy for the
following reasons:

We get about 30 new users every day from all over the world, many of whom
are early in their learning phase and are quite stuck - they need help as
soon as possible. Fortunately this list is very active and helpful. In
contrast, we've only ever banned 34 users from the list for spamming. So
making new users wait for timezones to swing their way feels like a heavy
handed solution to a small problem. Yes, spammers are annoying but they are
a small minority on this list.

Instead, we have asked 10 of our long standing members to help us with
banning spammers. This way we have Spam Guardians active around the globe,
who only need to do something if a spammer raises their ugly head above the
parapet. One or two spam emails may get through, but hopefully somebody
will leap into action and stop their activity before it becomes too
tiresome.

This isn't an exclusive list. If you would like to be on it, feel free to
email me. Note: I expect you to be a long standing and currently active
member of this list to be included.

If this solution doesn't solve the problem, then we can reconsider
moderate-first-post, but we've managed to go 5 years without requiring it,
and I'd prefer to keep things as easy as possible for new users.

Clint

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I have had a look through the backend and cannot see these threads at all.

On 12 March 2015 at 13:44, Gavin Seng seng.gavin@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,

What is the current policy on this?

I just tried creating 2 new posts ... they showed up for awhile ... and
then disappeared. I thought that it could be because I did inline pictures
... so I tried reposting and got the same result.

Not sure if they're in a "to be moderated" bucket ... or googles spam
filter just deleted them.

The posts had these subjects:

  • What is a reasonable number of evictions for filter_cache and fielddata?
  • Are long queues in management threadpool a problem?

Thanks,
Gavin

On Tuesday, December 2, 2014 at 4:56:54 AM UTC-5, nodexy wrote:

The first post should be approved .

On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 2:36:44 AM UTC+8, Clinton Gormley wrote:

Hi all

Recently we've had a few spam emails that have made it through Google's
filters, and there have been a calls for us to change to a
moderate-first-post policy. I am reluctant to adopt this policy for the
following reasons:

We get about 30 new users every day from all over the world, many of
whom are early in their learning phase and are quite stuck - they need help
as soon as possible. Fortunately this list is very active and helpful. In
contrast, we've only ever banned 34 users from the list for spamming. So
making new users wait for timezones to swing their way feels like a heavy
handed solution to a small problem. Yes, spammers are annoying but they are
a small minority on this list.

Instead, we have asked 10 of our long standing members to help us with
banning spammers. This way we have Spam Guardians active around the globe,
who only need to do something if a spammer raises their ugly head above the
parapet. One or two spam emails may get through, but hopefully somebody
will leap into action and stop their activity before it becomes too
tiresome.

This isn't an exclusive list. If you would like to be on it, feel free
to email me. Note: I expect you to be a long standing and currently active
member of this list to be included.

If this solution doesn't solve the problem, then we can reconsider
moderate-first-post, but we've managed to go 5 years without requiring it,
and I'd prefer to keep things as easy as possible for new users.

Clint

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I saw a similar thing happen yesterday, and the post then appeared today.
It was not a new thread in this case but instead a reply. I blame Google.

On Friday, March 13, 2015 at 1:31:53 PM UTC-6, Mark Walkom wrote:

I have had a look through the backend and cannot see these threads at all.

On 12 March 2015 at 13:44, Gavin Seng <seng....@gmail.com <javascript:>>
wrote:

Hi,

What is the current policy on this?

I just tried creating 2 new posts ... they showed up for awhile ... and
then disappeared. I thought that it could be because I did inline pictures
... so I tried reposting and got the same result.

Not sure if they're in a "to be moderated" bucket ... or googles spam
filter just deleted them.

The posts had these subjects:

  • What is a reasonable number of evictions for filter_cache and fielddata?
  • Are long queues in management threadpool a problem?

Thanks,
Gavin

On Tuesday, December 2, 2014 at 4:56:54 AM UTC-5, nodexy wrote:

The first post should be approved .

On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 2:36:44 AM UTC+8, Clinton Gormley wrote:

Hi all

Recently we've had a few spam emails that have made it through Google's
filters, and there have been a calls for us to change to a
moderate-first-post policy. I am reluctant to adopt this policy for the
following reasons:

We get about 30 new users every day from all over the world, many of
whom are early in their learning phase and are quite stuck - they need help
as soon as possible. Fortunately this list is very active and helpful. In
contrast, we've only ever banned 34 users from the list for spamming. So
making new users wait for timezones to swing their way feels like a heavy
handed solution to a small problem. Yes, spammers are annoying but they are
a small minority on this list.

Instead, we have asked 10 of our long standing members to help us with
banning spammers. This way we have Spam Guardians active around the globe,
who only need to do something if a spammer raises their ugly head above the
parapet. One or two spam emails may get through, but hopefully somebody
will leap into action and stop their activity before it becomes too
tiresome.

This isn't an exclusive list. If you would like to be on it, feel free
to email me. Note: I expect you to be a long standing and currently active
member of this list to be included.

If this solution doesn't solve the problem, then we can reconsider
moderate-first-post, but we've managed to go 5 years without requiring it,
and I'd prefer to keep things as easy as possible for new users.

Clint

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Mark, thanks for checking.

My posts did show up in the end ... I got an email from google about 18
hours later!! ... and all my re-postings all showed up (had to go delete
all the duplicates).

Gavin

On Friday, March 13, 2015 at 5:32:40 PM UTC-4, aa...@definemg.com wrote:

I saw a similar thing happen yesterday, and the post then appeared today.
It was not a new thread in this case but instead a reply. I blame Google.

On Friday, March 13, 2015 at 1:31:53 PM UTC-6, Mark Walkom wrote:

I have had a look through the backend and cannot see these threads at all.

On 12 March 2015 at 13:44, Gavin Seng seng....@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,

What is the current policy on this?

I just tried creating 2 new posts ... they showed up for awhile ... and
then disappeared. I thought that it could be because I did inline pictures
... so I tried reposting and got the same result.

Not sure if they're in a "to be moderated" bucket ... or googles spam
filter just deleted them.

The posts had these subjects:

  • What is a reasonable number of evictions for filter_cache and
    fielddata?
  • Are long queues in management threadpool a problem?

Thanks,
Gavin

On Tuesday, December 2, 2014 at 4:56:54 AM UTC-5, nodexy wrote:

The first post should be approved .

On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 2:36:44 AM UTC+8, Clinton Gormley wrote:

Hi all

Recently we've had a few spam emails that have made it through
Google's filters, and there have been a calls for us to change to a
moderate-first-post policy. I am reluctant to adopt this policy for the
following reasons:

We get about 30 new users every day from all over the world, many of
whom are early in their learning phase and are quite stuck - they need help
as soon as possible. Fortunately this list is very active and helpful. In
contrast, we've only ever banned 34 users from the list for spamming. So
making new users wait for timezones to swing their way feels like a heavy
handed solution to a small problem. Yes, spammers are annoying but they are
a small minority on this list.

Instead, we have asked 10 of our long standing members to help us with
banning spammers. This way we have Spam Guardians active around the globe,
who only need to do something if a spammer raises their ugly head above the
parapet. One or two spam emails may get through, but hopefully somebody
will leap into action and stop their activity before it becomes too
tiresome.

This isn't an exclusive list. If you would like to be on it, feel free
to email me. Note: I expect you to be a long standing and currently active
member of this list to be included.

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moderate-first-post, but we've managed to go 5 years without requiring it,
and I'd prefer to keep things as easy as possible for new users.

Clint

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