Time for moderation?


(Paul Brown) #1

Some other Google groups where I spend cycles have had to go with moderation and enough people have stepped up as moderators that it doesn't really interfere with legitimate list traffic.

Any objections to switching the list to moderated? (I'm willing to throw my hat in as a moderate and will rubber-stamp legitimate emails when I'm paying attention.)

-- Paul


(Patrick) #2

Paul,

Could you perhaps provide some examples of where moderation would've solved
a specific problem? Granted, the most recent java developer mail is a great
example, but I'm wondering what other examples you may have that warrant
such a drastic measure? I mean, we could certainly moderate new users for a
'period', and I'm all for moderation if it solves a large problem, I'll
even volunteer to assist :slight_smile: I'd hate for it to turn into a censorship tool
though, but I doubt that Shay would let that happen anyway.

Patrick


patrick eefy net

On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Paul Brown prb@mult.ifario.us wrote:

Some other Google groups where I spend cycles have had to go with
moderation and enough people have stepped up as moderators that it doesn't
really interfere with legitimate list traffic.

Any objections to switching the list to moderated? (I'm willing to throw
my hat in as a moderate and will rubber-stamp legitimate emails when I'm
paying attention.)

-- Paul


(Paul Brown) #3

Hi, Patrick --

In my opinion, it is only a matter of time until we start seeing all sorts of other spam here as they do in other Google groups, and I fully agree that is unfortunate if true that unmoderated forums/email lists are as dead as unmoderated blog comments. I would expect the problem to accelerate once people see (1) that spam posts get through and (2) readership for the group increases. From the spam then start the threads of people replying to tell the spammer to cut it out, etc.

I agree 100% on the need to ensure that it does not become censorship, and from what I know as one of probably a dozen volunteer moderates for the Hector (Cassandra client) mailing list, the logs of rejected postings are available for all of the moderators to review and potentially override.

We could put it to an informal or formal vote, I suppose, or Shay can put on his Elastisearch BDFL hat and make a choice, too.

-- Paul

On Jul 13, 2012, at 2:30 PM, Patrick wrote:

Paul,

Could you perhaps provide some examples of where moderation would've solved a specific problem? Granted, the most recent java developer mail is a great example, but I'm wondering what other examples you may have that warrant such a drastic measure? I mean, we could certainly moderate new users for a 'period', and I'm all for moderation if it solves a large problem, I'll even volunteer to assist :slight_smile: I'd hate for it to turn into a censorship tool though, but I doubt that Shay would let that happen anyway.

Patrick

http://about.me/patrick.ancillotti
patrick eefy net

On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Paul Brown prb@mult.ifario.us wrote:

Some other Google groups where I spend cycles have had to go with moderation and enough people have stepped up as moderators that it doesn't really interfere with legitimate list traffic.

Any objections to switching the list to moderated? (I'm willing to throw my hat in as a moderate and will rubber-stamp legitimate emails when I'm paying attention.)

-- Paul


(Ivan Brusic) #4

Besides the recent recruiter post (which is annoying, but not
technically spam), there have been very very few spam issues on the
ElasticSearch list. I think this list is far from needing moderation.
LinkedIn groups on the other hand....

On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Paul Brown prb@mult.ifario.us wrote:

Hi, Patrick --

In my opinion, it is only a matter of time until we start seeing all sorts
of other spam here as they do in other Google groups, and I fully agree that
is unfortunate if true that unmoderated forums/email lists are as dead as
unmoderated blog comments. I would expect the problem to accelerate once
people see (1) that spam posts get through and (2) readership for the group
increases. From the spam then start the threads of people replying to tell
the spammer to cut it out, etc.

I agree 100% on the need to ensure that it does not become censorship, and
from what I know as one of probably a dozen volunteer moderates for the
Hector (Cassandra client) mailing list, the logs of rejected postings are
available for all of the moderators to review and potentially override.

We could put it to an informal or formal vote, I suppose, or Shay can put on
his Elastisearch BDFL hat and make a choice, too.

-- Paul

On Jul 13, 2012, at 2:30 PM, Patrick wrote:

Paul,

Could you perhaps provide some examples of where moderation would've solved
a specific problem? Granted, the most recent java developer mail is a great
example, but I'm wondering what other examples you may have that warrant
such a drastic measure? I mean, we could certainly moderate new users for a
'period', and I'm all for moderation if it solves a large problem, I'll even
volunteer to assist :slight_smile: I'd hate for it to turn into a censorship tool
though, but I doubt that Shay would let that happen anyway.

Patrick

http://about.me/patrick.ancillotti
patrick eefy net

On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Paul Brown prb@mult.ifario.us wrote:

Some other Google groups where I spend cycles have had to go with
moderation and enough people have stepped up as moderators that it doesn't
really interfere with legitimate list traffic.

Any objections to switching the list to moderated? (I'm willing to throw
my hat in as a moderate and will rubber-stamp legitimate emails when I'm
paying attention.)

-- Paul


(David Pilato) #5

I agree with Ivan.
We don't see so much spam by now.

But, if spam increases and Shay wants to moderate the list, I will be happy to help.

Cheers
David

--

Le 14 juil. 2012 à 02:14, Ivan Brusic ivan@brusic.com a écrit :

Besides the recent recruiter post (which is annoying, but not
technically spam), there have been very very few spam issues on the
ElasticSearch list. I think this list is far from needing moderation.
LinkedIn groups on the other hand....

On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Paul Brown prb@mult.ifario.us wrote:

Hi, Patrick --

In my opinion, it is only a matter of time until we start seeing all sorts
of other spam here as they do in other Google groups, and I fully agree that
is unfortunate if true that unmoderated forums/email lists are as dead as
unmoderated blog comments. I would expect the problem to accelerate once
people see (1) that spam posts get through and (2) readership for the group
increases. From the spam then start the threads of people replying to tell
the spammer to cut it out, etc.

I agree 100% on the need to ensure that it does not become censorship, and
from what I know as one of probably a dozen volunteer moderates for the
Hector (Cassandra client) mailing list, the logs of rejected postings are
available for all of the moderators to review and potentially override.

We could put it to an informal or formal vote, I suppose, or Shay can put on
his Elastisearch BDFL hat and make a choice, too.

-- Paul

On Jul 13, 2012, at 2:30 PM, Patrick wrote:

Paul,

Could you perhaps provide some examples of where moderation would've solved
a specific problem? Granted, the most recent java developer mail is a great
example, but I'm wondering what other examples you may have that warrant
such a drastic measure? I mean, we could certainly moderate new users for a
'period', and I'm all for moderation if it solves a large problem, I'll even
volunteer to assist :slight_smile: I'd hate for it to turn into a censorship tool
though, but I doubt that Shay would let that happen anyway.

Patrick

http://about.me/patrick.ancillotti
patrick eefy net

On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Paul Brown prb@mult.ifario.us wrote:

Some other Google groups where I spend cycles have had to go with
moderation and enough people have stepped up as moderators that it doesn't
really interfere with legitimate list traffic.

Any objections to switching the list to moderated? (I'm willing to throw
my hat in as a moderate and will rubber-stamp legitimate emails when I'm
paying attention.)

-- Paul


(Jörg Prante) #6

The signal-to-noise ratio is very good here. Moderation will slow down
normal posting which will be annoying for regular posters, even with dozens
of moderators. And moderation might discourage newbies from participating
in the community. Please note that Google groups is handling known spam
already. You can mark a single posting as spam with the "report abuse"
function so I don't think a tight security setting like moderation is
required yet.

Best regards,

Jörg

On Friday, July 13, 2012 9:43:06 PM UTC+2, Paul Brown wrote:

Some other Google groups where I spend cycles have had to go with
moderation and enough people have stepped up as moderators that it doesn't
really interfere with legitimate list traffic.

Any objections to switching the list to moderated? (I'm willing to throw
my hat in as a moderate and will rubber-stamp legitimate emails when I'm
paying attention.)

-- Paul


(Clinton Gormley) #7

On Fri, 2012-07-13 at 17:14 -0700, Ivan Brusic wrote:

Besides the recent recruiter post (which is annoying, but not
technically spam), there have been very very few spam issues on the
ElasticSearch list. I think this list is far from needing moderation.
LinkedIn groups on the other hand....

I agree completely - the level of spam on this list is tiny

clint

On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Paul Brown prb@mult.ifario.us wrote:

Hi, Patrick --

In my opinion, it is only a matter of time until we start seeing all sorts
of other spam here as they do in other Google groups, and I fully agree that
is unfortunate if true that unmoderated forums/email lists are as dead as
unmoderated blog comments. I would expect the problem to accelerate once
people see (1) that spam posts get through and (2) readership for the group
increases. From the spam then start the threads of people replying to tell
the spammer to cut it out, etc.

I agree 100% on the need to ensure that it does not become censorship, and
from what I know as one of probably a dozen volunteer moderates for the
Hector (Cassandra client) mailing list, the logs of rejected postings are
available for all of the moderators to review and potentially override.

We could put it to an informal or formal vote, I suppose, or Shay can put on
his Elastisearch BDFL hat and make a choice, too.

-- Paul

On Jul 13, 2012, at 2:30 PM, Patrick wrote:

Paul,

Could you perhaps provide some examples of where moderation would've solved
a specific problem? Granted, the most recent java developer mail is a great
example, but I'm wondering what other examples you may have that warrant
such a drastic measure? I mean, we could certainly moderate new users for a
'period', and I'm all for moderation if it solves a large problem, I'll even
volunteer to assist :slight_smile: I'd hate for it to turn into a censorship tool
though, but I doubt that Shay would let that happen anyway.

Patrick

http://about.me/patrick.ancillotti
patrick eefy net

On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Paul Brown prb@mult.ifario.us wrote:

Some other Google groups where I spend cycles have had to go with
moderation and enough people have stepped up as moderators that it doesn't
really interfere with legitimate list traffic.

Any objections to switching the list to moderated? (I'm willing to throw
my hat in as a moderate and will rubber-stamp legitimate emails when I'm
paying attention.)

-- Paul


(Shay Banon) #8

I agree, I don't think we have too much spam yet to warrant moderation.
Though, I think that we can have more people allowed to quickly ban users
from posting to the mailing list if they spam. We can obviously revisit
this decision any time if its gets crazy.

On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Clinton Gormley clint@traveljury.comwrote:

On Fri, 2012-07-13 at 17:14 -0700, Ivan Brusic wrote:

Besides the recent recruiter post (which is annoying, but not
technically spam), there have been very very few spam issues on the
ElasticSearch list. I think this list is far from needing moderation.
LinkedIn groups on the other hand....

I agree completely - the level of spam on this list is tiny

clint

On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Paul Brown prb@mult.ifario.us wrote:

Hi, Patrick --

In my opinion, it is only a matter of time until we start seeing all
sorts

of other spam here as they do in other Google groups, and I fully
agree that

is unfortunate if true that unmoderated forums/email lists are as dead
as

unmoderated blog comments. I would expect the problem to accelerate
once

people see (1) that spam posts get through and (2) readership for the
group

increases. From the spam then start the threads of people replying to
tell

the spammer to cut it out, etc.

I agree 100% on the need to ensure that it does not become censorship,
and

from what I know as one of probably a dozen volunteer moderates for the
Hector (Cassandra client) mailing list, the logs of rejected postings
are

available for all of the moderators to review and potentially override.

We could put it to an informal or formal vote, I suppose, or Shay can
put on

his Elastisearch BDFL hat and make a choice, too.

-- Paul

On Jul 13, 2012, at 2:30 PM, Patrick wrote:

Paul,

Could you perhaps provide some examples of where moderation would've
solved

a specific problem? Granted, the most recent java developer mail is a
great

example, but I'm wondering what other examples you may have that
warrant

such a drastic measure? I mean, we could certainly moderate new users
for a

'period', and I'm all for moderation if it solves a large problem,
I'll even

volunteer to assist :slight_smile: I'd hate for it to turn into a censorship tool
though, but I doubt that Shay would let that happen anyway.

Patrick

http://about.me/patrick.ancillotti
patrick eefy net

On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Paul Brown prb@mult.ifario.us
wrote:

Some other Google groups where I spend cycles have had to go with
moderation and enough people have stepped up as moderators that it
doesn't

really interfere with legitimate list traffic.

Any objections to switching the list to moderated? (I'm willing to
throw

my hat in as a moderate and will rubber-stamp legitimate emails when
I'm

paying attention.)

-- Paul


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