Who out there is still using Kibana 3?

(Asimov4) #1

Hi all!

I just wanted to know if anyone else was still using Kibana 3. We are not migrating to Kibana 4 yet because it is a bit harder to deploy in our environment and does not support a few important features for us.
We are fixing a few bugs and adding improvements and I feel that there should still be a community sharing these improvements.

(Tanya Bragin) #2

Out of curiosity, what K3 features are you waiting on in K4?

(Asimov4) #3

As far as I know, Kibana 4 does not support querying multiple indices at once for a single visualization.
The support for filters was also limited in the last version we tried.
We also have a few custom Kibana 3 panels that we would have to reimplement in Kibana 4.


Im using kibana 3 still due to performance issues with kibana4. Firstly i have logs that can be rather large with xml and one issue i encountered was a highlighting issue which caused results to not display. I removed the highlighting feature as a work around, but still encounter a good deal of performance issues with searches taking too long and many times not even returning results. In kibana 3, however, results return just fine. Also kibana 4 seems to be even worse in firefox.

(David Severski) #5

Running KB3 and KB4 in parallel here. We may cut over to KB4 next month, but there's a lot of resistance from our users due to missing features in KB4 (multiple queries, inflexible colors, formatting worse/harder than KB3, filtering limited/hard to use, interface more complicated than KB3, missing beta features from KB3 that we used, etc.).


the lack of custom colorization is a big one for me as well. It makes the graphs and visual data much easier to understand at a quick glance than trying to easily differentiate between the greens and blues.

(Bruce Lysik) #7

Still on KB3. (Though I have a test instance of KB4 up.)

Interface on 4 is more complicated. Wasn't clear how to move over a large amount of my dashboards. Ran into some instances of features missing in 4.

(Elvar) #8

Still on Kibana3

Kibana4 is still lacking a few features that is essential when you are using it to quickly dig through lots of information to filter out noise.

(Tanya Bragin) #9

@elvarb and @Bruce_Lysik - thank you! Curious -- the feature gaps you're waiting on -- are any of them not already targeted to Kibana 4.3 or 4.4?

(Bruce Lysik) #10

Not sure. I have a large set of saved dashboards. So one day I decided: lets try to recreate all of these in Kibana 4. I started running into problems doing so. I found a few bugs for the features I needed... and then quickly gave up.

It's a lot of work that I'm not looking forward to do, and finding out that all the features weren't present anyways quickly made me give up on it.

(Elvar) #11

I have not spent that much time so far in Kibana4 against the same data we use Kibana3 for. One of the first pain points I found was the need to go from Discover to Visualization to Dashboard for every little thing you want to add to a Dashboard. It is better now that you can skip the Discover part. Another is you can't seem to assign colors to a query like in Kibana3. For example I have a dashboard for IIS logs, I have 4x queries that search give me data for each host producing the data, they are all blue tinted. Then I have another 4x queries that get response times, 0-999,1000-1999,2000-3999 and 4000-1000000, they are tinted green,yellowgreenish,yellow and red. Then I have a few histograms that use either only the host queries or only the response time queries. The host queries are mostly informational but the response time ones are there to grab your attention.

I have mostly used Kibana4 with some earthquake data, totally different use case but I definitely can see that Kibana4 shines when exploring data.

I created an issue here, https://github.com/elastic/kibana/issues/4060 for one of the problems I found regarding tables.

I am also not able to view the saved dashboard images in Kibana 4 . Is there any folder where it is stored?

One feature that i would like to be able to do, but isn't necessarily missing since I never found a way to do this in kibana 3, is the ability to "overlap" a graph. essentially i would like to overlap a graph of application response times with a graph of apache requests so a direct correlation could be made on a single graph.

Basically such as this:

(Loren Siebert) #13

Nobody on our team has been able to migrate to Kibana 4 yet due to a variety of issues. For me personally, it's editable filters.

(Asimov4) #14

Follow-up question: for those of you who still use Kibana 3, have you made any improvements or fixed any bugs?
I'm wondering whether it would make sense to start a community supported fork of Kibana 3 where we could all collaborate on bug fixes and upgrades that would make use of newer Elasticsearch features.
Any thoughts?

(Sesha Narahari) #15

K3 has the ability to put "other" in a piechart, to account for everything other than say the top 10. Lack of this feature in K4 is preventing complete adoption. Please add this.

(Tanya Bragin) #16

Unfortunately, this is a capability that was present in Elasticsearch Facets, analytics framework used by K3, that is missing in Elasticsearch Aggregations, their new analytics framework used by K4. So, Kibana can't add it until this exists in ES: https://github.com/elastic/kibana/issues/1961

(Peter Colclough) #17

I am with @elvarb. Been using Kibana3 (and ES) for 2-3 years. Kibana 4 is a complete change. We analyse in excess of 120m docs per day, realtime on Mysql, and the issues surrounding the change in operation of K3 -> K4 are huge.. for our use case.

  1. You cant edit a filter

  2. You cant set aliases, and colors for queries (easily)

  3. You cant set timespans through a Histogram.. then delete the filter when done.

  4. You cant seem to have multiple queries making up one visualisation... easily.

  5. The time it takes to build a datebased histogram is pitiful, compared to K3. I have 6 dashboards on K3, running multiple queries... blindingly fast. One on K4 and that dies, and K4 is on a different machine.

  6. You cant...... and so on and so on.

  7. The geomapping in K4 is streets ahead of K3 (thanks guys), but suspect this s down to Leaflet.js .. so we will be deploying both.

Essentially it looks like K4 is trying to mimic splunk, and is built for a static dashboard, not for a scenario where you use graphs to get to the 'pain points' of systems.. getting queries to make sense.. so you can fix the pain points.

what it does seem to do is provide a 'static set of data' to show what you are doing, but this is not the use most people would use.. I suspect.
Going back through Discover to add an filter is just too difficult and time consuming.

Please keep Kibana 3... as it si will be fine.. just dont break the link. We will use K4 for where it is good, but I dont see why the major change.... it makes no sense to me.

(Peter Colclough) #18

I think you can do that by sing one index, but with multiple graph types. We will be overlapping apache with our live mysql logs soon (as soon as I get a production cluster up), and intend to do that by putting Apache logs as a seperate _type in the index. So queries on _type. Only possible (currently) I believe with K3.

(David Reagan) #19

I was wondering if anyone had forked Kibana 3 myself. If I remember some of the beta posts that led up to the Kibana 4 release, doesn't Kibana 4 have a different focus than Kibana 3? Um, something like the two versions differ in how they approach analyzing data.

If that's true, wouldn't it make sense to keep Kibana 3 around? Since people are currently happy with that approach?

As for my personal situation, I know I found Kibana 3 a LOT more intuitive. But I never built much on it before K4 was announced.

That said, I do really want https://github.com/elastic/kibana/issues/1583 editable filters. I'd also really really like to be able to export and import visualizations and dashboards. As in some code I could stick in a gist along side notes on how to make sure the data in ES matches the Kibana configuration. That would let the community share their work.

Another thought, has anyone at Elastic thought about making an importer for those who have hundreds of K3 dashboards? Something that can at least pull in the basics and save some time?

(Martin Passing) #20

we are using Kibana3 mainly for analyzing log data. Unfortunately there are still lots of features missing in kibana4 that prevent us from migrating:

  • missing vector maps (country-code based)
  • colors cannot be adjusted
  • no possibility to export/import dashboards (to/from files) to exchange them between different elasticsearch clusters / indexes
  • no possibility to easily create an identical copy of a dashboard that uses data from a different index
  • no editing of filters
  • no manual adding of (querystring) filters
  • no folding/hiding of panels on a dashboards
  • no naming ("legend value") of queries
  • no "missing field" and "other values" in Top Terms Aggregation (Facets in K3)
  • in any aggregation, order by name doesn't seem to be possible
  • no possibility to change the resolution of a date histogram temporarily in the dashboard directly
  • no possibility to change visualization style (terms: bar/pie/table; histogram: bars/lines/points) without creating a new visualization