CLA sign required even for tiny typo fix?


(Lukáš Vlček) #1

Hi,

May be some companies showing what the future trend will be? :slight_smile:

(yes, I am biased, I work for one of the companies listed in the blog post)

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(Mark Walkom) #2

I'd support this for what it's worth :slight_smile:

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On 8 July 2014 21:27, Lukáš Vlček lukas.vlcek@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,

http://www.infoworld.com/d/open-source-software/red-hat-joyent-and-others-break-down-licensing-barriers-244727

May be some companies showing what the future trend will be? :slight_smile:

(yes, I am biased, I work for one of the companies listed in the blog post)

Regards,
Lukas

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(Ivan Brusic) #3

Elasticsearch as a company is relatively new, so I hope it will adjust its
practices, not just the CLA, as time goes on. The codebase has been
evolving so rapidly, that I would assume they are working on the code and
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On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 4:33 AM, Mark Walkom markw@campaignmonitor.com
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I'd support this for what it's worth :slight_smile:

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On 8 July 2014 21:27, Lukáš Vlček lukas.vlcek@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,

http://www.infoworld.com/d/open-source-software/red-hat-joyent-and-others-break-down-licensing-barriers-244727

May be some companies showing what the future trend will be? :slight_smile:

(yes, I am biased, I work for one of the companies listed in the blog
post)

Regards,
Lukas

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(Lukáš Vlček) #4

Ivan,

I think it is mostly about lowering the barrier for contributors regarding
small updates ("so you found a missing comma in guide example and you want
to fix it") and saving resources on the company side with CLA maintenance.
As a company you can always explicitly ask for CLA sign in individual
cases. As a result you end up with more resources for the other things.
Anyway, I just wanted to point this out for inspiration.

Regards,
Lukas

On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 6:12 PM, Ivan Brusic ivan@brusic.com wrote:

Elasticsearch as a company is relatively new, so I hope it will adjust its
practices, not just the CLA, as time goes on. The codebase has been
evolving so rapidly, that I would assume they are working on the code and
the revenue stream and not its licensing model.

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On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 4:33 AM, Mark Walkom markw@campaignmonitor.com
wrote:

I'd support this for what it's worth :slight_smile:

Regards,
Mark Walkom

Infrastructure Engineer
Campaign Monitor
email: markw@campaignmonitor.com
web: www.campaignmonitor.com

On 8 July 2014 21:27, Lukáš Vlček lukas.vlcek@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,

http://www.infoworld.com/d/open-source-software/red-hat-joyent-and-others-break-down-licensing-barriers-244727

May be some companies showing what the future trend will be? :slight_smile:

(yes, I am biased, I work for one of the companies listed in the blog
post)

Regards,
Lukas

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(Shay Banon) #5

We can’t start to differentiate between one contribution or the other, cause then we start a different discussion, to where does the line goes. Its simpler to have a consistent message.

Btw, our CLA is explicitly very lightweight, and it aims at protecting the contributors as well. Its quite tricky legally, but this is the spirit (of the stricter) Apache CLA as well.

I would personally not use either Joynet or JBoss as the beacon to follow on such issues. Obviously, if this spreads, then I will make sure we study the legal aspects of it, from both contributors and users perspective.

On Jul 8, 2014, at 19:19, Lukáš Vlček lukas.vlcek@gmail.com wrote:

Ivan,

I think it is mostly about lowering the barrier for contributors regarding small updates ("so you found a missing comma in guide example and you want to fix it") and saving resources on the company side with CLA maintenance. As a company you can always explicitly ask for CLA sign in individual cases. As a result you end up with more resources for the other things. Anyway, I just wanted to point this out for inspiration.

Regards,
Lukas

On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 6:12 PM, Ivan Brusic ivan@brusic.com wrote:
Elasticsearch as a company is relatively new, so I hope it will adjust its practices, not just the CLA, as time goes on. The codebase has been evolving so rapidly, that I would assume they are working on the code and the revenue stream and not its licensing model.

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On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 4:33 AM, Mark Walkom markw@campaignmonitor.com wrote:
I'd support this for what it's worth :slight_smile:

Regards,
Mark Walkom

Infrastructure Engineer
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email: markw@campaignmonitor.com
web: www.campaignmonitor.com

On 8 July 2014 21:27, Lukáš Vlček lukas.vlcek@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,

http://www.infoworld.com/d/open-source-software/red-hat-joyent-and-others-break-down-licensing-barriers-244727

May be some companies showing what the future trend will be? :slight_smile:

(yes, I am biased, I work for one of the companies listed in the blog post)

Regards,
Lukas

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(Ivan Brusic) #6

Great to see kimchy posting again!

On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Shay Banon kimchy@gmail.com wrote:

We can’t start to differentiate between one contribution or the other,
cause then we start a different discussion, to where does the line goes.
Its simpler to have a consistent message.

Btw, our CLA is explicitly very lightweight, and it aims at protecting the
contributors as well. Its quite tricky legally, but this is the spirit (of
the stricter) Apache CLA as well.

I would personally not use either Joynet or JBoss as the beacon to follow
on such issues. Obviously, if this spreads, then I will make sure we study
the legal aspects of it, from both contributors and users perspective.

On Jul 8, 2014, at 19:19, Lukáš Vlček lukas.vlcek@gmail.com wrote:

Ivan,

I think it is mostly about lowering the barrier for contributors regarding
small updates ("so you found a missing comma in guide example and you want
to fix it") and saving resources on the company side with CLA maintenance.
As a company you can always explicitly ask for CLA sign in individual
cases. As a result you end up with more resources for the other things.
Anyway, I just wanted to point this out for inspiration.

Regards,
Lukas

On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 6:12 PM, Ivan Brusic ivan@brusic.com wrote:

Elasticsearch as a company is relatively new, so I hope it will adjust
its practices, not just the CLA, as time goes on. The codebase has been
evolving so rapidly, that I would assume they are working on the code and
the revenue stream and not its licensing model.

--
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On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 4:33 AM, Mark Walkom markw@campaignmonitor.com
wrote:

I'd support this for what it's worth :slight_smile:

Regards,
Mark Walkom

Infrastructure Engineer
Campaign Monitor
email: markw@campaignmonitor.com
web: www.campaignmonitor.com

On 8 July 2014 21:27, Lukáš Vlček lukas.vlcek@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,

http://www.infoworld.com/d/open-source-software/red-hat-joyent-and-others-break-down-licensing-barriers-244727

May be some companies showing what the future trend will be? :slight_smile:

(yes, I am biased, I work for one of the companies listed in the blog
post)

Regards,
Lukas

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(Lukáš Vlček) #7

Shay,

I think it is not fair to say that JBoss is trying to be the beacon here
(my formulation could make it sound like that in my initial post - sorry
about that), it is more about JBoss catching up with the rest of the
company (i.e. Red Hat). See the below link for more details:

Regards,
Lukas

On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 8:51 PM, Shay Banon kimchy@gmail.com wrote:

We can’t start to differentiate between one contribution or the other,
cause then we start a different discussion, to where does the line goes.
Its simpler to have a consistent message.

Btw, our CLA is explicitly very lightweight, and it aims at protecting the
contributors as well. Its quite tricky legally, but this is the spirit (of
the stricter) Apache CLA as well.

I would personally not use either Joynet or JBoss as the beacon to follow
on such issues. Obviously, if this spreads, then I will make sure we study
the legal aspects of it, from both contributors and users perspective.

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Ivan,

I think it is mostly about lowering the barrier for contributors regarding
small updates ("so you found a missing comma in guide example and you want
to fix it") and saving resources on the company side with CLA maintenance.
As a company you can always explicitly ask for CLA sign in individual
cases. As a result you end up with more resources for the other things.
Anyway, I just wanted to point this out for inspiration.

Regards,
Lukas

On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 6:12 PM, Ivan Brusic ivan@brusic.com wrote:

Elasticsearch as a company is relatively new, so I hope it will adjust
its practices, not just the CLA, as time goes on. The codebase has been
evolving so rapidly, that I would assume they are working on the code and
the revenue stream and not its licensing model.

--
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On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 4:33 AM, Mark Walkom markw@campaignmonitor.com
wrote:

I'd support this for what it's worth :slight_smile:

Regards,
Mark Walkom

Infrastructure Engineer
Campaign Monitor
email: markw@campaignmonitor.com
web: www.campaignmonitor.com

On 8 July 2014 21:27, Lukáš Vlček lukas.vlcek@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,

http://www.infoworld.com/d/open-source-software/red-hat-joyent-and-others-break-down-licensing-barriers-244727

May be some companies showing what the future trend will be? :slight_smile:

(yes, I am biased, I work for one of the companies listed in the blog
post)

Regards,
Lukas

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(Jörg Prante) #8

I think Elasticsearch CLA is fair. It helps in extreme scenarios, for
example if Elasticsearch had to move to a new home or umbrella and
continue development from there, without having to ask each and every
contributor for permission.

Also, playing devil's advocate, Elasticsearch development might be impacted
in a negative way by people trying to file copyright infringement lawsuits
where courts would have to rule about licenses used in the controversial
software from many parties, if they are valid or not in an international
context. The matter of international copyright law is very complex and full
of pitfalls. CLA's allow to focus such lawsuits much easier to the
individual contributor(s) of the controversial code without affecting other
contributions. CLAs are not so bad, they fall under common law, they do not
only protect a company, but also preserve individual contributions to an
international software project as a long-lasting good.

Jörg

On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 10:35 PM, Lukáš Vlček lukas.vlcek@gmail.com wrote:

Shay,

I think it is not fair to say that JBoss is trying to be the beacon here
(my formulation could make it sound like that in my initial post - sorry
about that), it is more about JBoss catching up with the rest of the
company (i.e. Red Hat). See the below link for more details:

https://www.openshift.com/blogs/keep-calm-and-merge-on-lowering-barriers-to-open-source-contributions-with-apache-v2

Regards,
Lukas

On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 8:51 PM, Shay Banon kimchy@gmail.com wrote:

We can’t start to differentiate between one contribution or the other,
cause then we start a different discussion, to where does the line goes.
Its simpler to have a consistent message.

Btw, our CLA is explicitly very lightweight, and it aims at protecting
the contributors as well. Its quite tricky legally, but this is the spirit
(of the stricter) Apache CLA as well.

I would personally not use either Joynet or JBoss as the beacon to follow
on such issues. Obviously, if this spreads, then I will make sure we study
the legal aspects of it, from both contributors and users perspective.

On Jul 8, 2014, at 19:19, Lukáš Vlček lukas.vlcek@gmail.com wrote:

Ivan,

I think it is mostly about lowering the barrier for contributors
regarding small updates ("so you found a missing comma in guide example and
you want to fix it") and saving resources on the company side with CLA
maintenance. As a company you can always explicitly ask for CLA sign in
individual cases. As a result you end up with more resources for the other
things. Anyway, I just wanted to point this out for inspiration.

Regards,
Lukas

On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 6:12 PM, Ivan Brusic ivan@brusic.com wrote:

Elasticsearch as a company is relatively new, so I hope it will adjust
its practices, not just the CLA, as time goes on. The codebase has been
evolving so rapidly, that I would assume they are working on the code and
the revenue stream and not its licensing model.

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On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 4:33 AM, Mark Walkom markw@campaignmonitor.com
wrote:

I'd support this for what it's worth :slight_smile:

Regards,
Mark Walkom

Infrastructure Engineer
Campaign Monitor
email: markw@campaignmonitor.com
web: www.campaignmonitor.com

On 8 July 2014 21:27, Lukáš Vlček lukas.vlcek@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,

http://www.infoworld.com/d/open-source-software/red-hat-joyent-and-others-break-down-licensing-barriers-244727

May be some companies showing what the future trend will be? :slight_smile:

(yes, I am biased, I work for one of the companies listed in the blog
post)

Regards,
Lukas

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